DolphinMath,
demizerone,

Thanks Democrats. Hopefully you risking everything to stroke this dudes ego doesn’t give the Republicans control forever. Exact same shit as 2016. I have no choice but to vote for Biden. I wonder whom the democratic party will pick next, probably Mayor Pete, and it’ll then be another vote for Pete to save democracy.

nutsack,

this is every election since ive been old enough to vote in them

JustZ,

“A majority of voters backing Biden are mostly motivated by the greatest threat America and the western world has ever faced.”

generichate1546,

Goddamn right…I’m got down with the dumbass ship in Florida but I’m cancelling out one vote for the end of America…

Fades,

Biden has done so much fucking shit for the average american (which is saying something thanks to the Do Nothing fascists)

First US president to join the union workers ON THE PICKET LINE In many ways we have handled this world-wide inflation shit better than any other in the G7 nations Unemployment numbers are at record lows, .01 lower than any other time in the past 10 years at one point in january and april of last year and since then has only risen around 0.3-4 points, removed healthcare related debt from credit scores

I could go on and on, but instead, others have already done so for me (and these aren’t even super recent):

bloomberg.com/…/2024-opinion-biden-accomplishment…

www.whitehouse.gov/oneyear/

npr.org/…/despite-infighting-its-been-a-surprisin…

politico.com/…/joe-biden-30-policy-things-you-mig…

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

Him joining a picket line for a photo op is kinda cancelled out by signing that bill that blocked the rail workers from striking.

JustZ,

Cancelled out? I remember when I was 14 and everything seemed simple.

btaf45,

Biden is fucking awesome. The more progressive president since LBJ if not FDR.

Kronusdark,
@Kronusdark@lemmy.world avatar

No kidding? Lol

Biden is not my favorite, but it’s that or fascism.

phoenixz,

I’m okay with that.

Anything but trump. Next term I do expect Biden to really kick around hard as hell gave nothing to lose, kick Israeli govt to the curb, kick the right-wing extremist religious out of the government, that sort of thing

Sam_Bass,

Only the best current reason. When frump is out of the picture for good we can focus on other things

Ensign_Crab,

I wish I believed that. There will always be some new threat. There will always be some dire threat keeping us voting for second worst instead of ever expecting better.

btaf45,

Biden is not 2nd worst. Out of the 4-5 candidates running Biden is by far the best.

Ensign_Crab,

His pro-genocide cult is fond of saying that there are only two choices when they’re browbeating anyone who is upset with him for any reason.

But no. He’s still second worst. And his recent adoption of Trump’s immigration policies has narrowed the gap.

btaf45, (edited )

You support a regressive Libertarian candidate over the most progressive candidate since FDR. And a Kremlin stooge. And a nutbag billionaire. Got it.

Ensign_Crab,

I do not. I’m voting for Biden. But as Biden’s pro-genocide cult is so delighted to gloat, a vote for any other option is a vote for Trump. Since all other candidates are functionally Trump, Biden is second worst. And he’s moving to the right on immigration to be more like Trump.

But hey, go ahead and make assumptions based on things you prefer to think instead of what I’ve actually written.

the most progressive candidate since FDR

This is horseshit. No one buys it.

eldavi,

the most progressive candidate since FDR

by what standard?!

dude literally voted against gay marriage; gays in the military; permanent student loans; advocated against gays in federal service; racial integration; sexual harassment claims; blocked access to non-american social media platform; and blocked americans from affordable electric vehicles.

was it the one law that passed decades after it was no longer an issue and, not only did nothing, but gave bigots legal protection for their bigotry?

btaf45,

dude literally voted against

Presidents do not vote on anything. I said he was the most progressive PRESIDENT since LBJ/FDR.

by what standard?!

Raising taxes on corporations. Wealth inequality is the number 1 problem in the country. Reducing wealth inequality is the biggest thing FDR did. But also: Reducing costs of ACA and Medicare. Increasing access to health care. Lowering prices on drugs thru direct government regulation. Reducing student loans. Action on climate change. Reducing taxes on lower/middle class. That is just some of the obvious stuff.

btaf45,

Also it is no reflection at all on Biden that he happens to be running against the person whom historians have ranked as the worst president in American history. Biden is ranks as 14th best president out of 46.

axios.com/…/presidents-survey-trump-ranks-last-bi…

Semi_Hemi_Demigod,
@Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

James Buchanan fans everywhere are overjoyed

cosmicrookie,
@cosmicrookie@lemmy.world avatar

You think it will be any better then?

Sam_Bass,

Cant say. Nobody can read the future for good or bad. I just prefer to be optimistic rather than not. All i can say is that the current choices are all there is and, as always, the lesser of two evils is what we have to work with

Waraugh,

I generally like Biden and I’m still more motivated by voting against trump. I’m amazed on a daily basis how many ignorant school shooter wannabes roam around here chanting fantasies without any basis in reality convincing themselves that they aren’t culpable if they don’t accept reality.

norimee,

Yes. Please do be motivated by stopping Trump!

And especially don’t be demotivated to go voting because you don’t like the alternative.

Rakonat,

Only reason he won the primary in 2020. Idealists don’t do well against fascists but moderates are inoffensive enough to

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

It’s a dangerous game, as Biden’s not bringing anything to the table on his own. Hillary lost in 2016 with a 10-pt plunge in support, because of the Comey October Surprise. Biden could easily suffer the same fate, if his lackluster supporters get spooked a few weeks before the general election.

btaf45,

Biden’s not bringing anything to the table on his own.

You mean, besides besides being the most progressive president since LBJ?

TokenBoomer,

That’s a low bar. LBJ was racist,

“During his first 20 years in Congress,” Obama said, “he opposed every civil rights bill that came up for a vote, once calling the push for federal legislation a farce and a shame.”

btaf45,

LBJ was the president who got the most important civil right bill passed. Biden was the most progressive president since LBJ and FDR.

TokenBoomer,

The Emancipation Proclamation was kinda important.

btaf45,

Yes it was. Did you not realize that Lincoln came before FDR?

TokenBoomer,

Logical thought is essentially a process of figuring things out step by step. Think of it like putting together a puzzle where each piece must fit perfectly with the others to form a complete picture. It’s a way of thinking that helps connect ideas in a rational, sensible order. It starts with simple truths, builds on them, and leads to a solid conclusion, just like following a set of directions to get to a particular place. source

eldavi,

does repeating this lie help you believe it?

btaf45,

does repeating this lie help you believe it?

LMFAO. I believe that Biden was the most progressive president since LBJ because I have been paying attention to politics since Nixon was in office. I can remember the end of the Vietnam War, and the minute details of every administration since. Which particular president do you think was better than Biden?

eldavi,

I can remember the end of the Vietnam War

how do you not remember biden’s anti-gay votes or his anti-gay, anti-me2, pro-studentloandebt, or pro-isreal advocacy; like most boomers do?

was it because none of that affects you or is it because you’re willfully ignoring the last few decades to make his presidency look better in your eyes?

or is it simply because trump is so bad that the alternative is automatically good enough?

btaf45,

How did you not know that Biden has done way more to nullify student loan debt than every other president?

How did you not know that Biden got a Gaza cease fire passed by the US security council?

biden’s anti-gay votes

The president does not vote against anything. I said Biden is the most progressive PRESIDENT.

How can you not know that Biden has been more progressive on me2 or lgbtq THAN ANY OTHER PRESIDENT?

or is it simply because trump is so bad that the alternative is automatically good enough?

Well we know that Convicted Sec Offender Treason Trump was ranked worst of all presidents by historians. So a house plant would be better than Treason Trump. But doesn’t change the fact that Biden has been the most progressive president in the last 50 years.

eldavi,

he literally use to brag about getting the bill that created our student loan debt problem passed the senate.

also: he’s been in federal politics for over 50 years; but we can only judge him for 3 of them?

ysk that cherry picked 3 years has been hit and miss at best.

btaf45,

he literally use to brag about getting the bill that created our student loan debt problem passed the senate.

He is literally the one and only president out of 46 president to cancel student loan debt.

but we can only judge him for 3 of them?

I judge President Biden compared to the previous 50 years of US presidents and the neofascist alternative waging war on democracy and the rule of law.

swordgeek,

I mean…no shit?

verdantbanana,
@verdantbanana@lemmy.world avatar

and that is why we the people will lose this election as well

we either stop supporting bad candidates from any party or we get stuck with them

why the fuck does any want four years of Trump or Biden is wild

Both are too old and both are set on taking us way back in time

already lost women’s rights and worker’s rights

how much do y’all want to lose?

guess we will see in the next four years what we get to lose next already getting to the point crossing state borders is difficult

FarmTaco,

what state border is difficult to cross, honest question

GBU_28,

I guess Alaska. Or hawaii. Lol

captain_aggravated,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

You know what my main problem with Joe Biden is? I’m 37, he’s what? 79? I’ve been a citizen of the United States longer than he has. He’s spent the last three generations in either congress or the white house, and the people who do that don’t live in the same reality as the rest of us. Too many of the laws outright don’t apply to them, either because there are literal exceptions or “we don’t enforce that on them.” Joe Biden doesn’t know the first fucking thing about being an American because he hasn’t ever actually done it.

EatATaco,

Joe Biden doesn’t know the first fucking thing about being an American because he hasn’t ever actually done it.

His family struggled a lot when he grew up in a blue collar town, moved so his dad could find steady work, but still were definitely middle class. Then he worked his way through college and law school.

We can say his decades in Congress and the presidency have corrupted him, but the idea that he hasn’t ever actually been “a real American” (the way you are using it) is an outright lie.

You know who hasn’t? The billionaire who was born with a silver spoon in their mouth, schooled with other wealthy people in NYC, then was gifted a huge amount of to start, and then spent their entire career screwing the blue collar worker to line his own pockets.

If Biden has never been a “real American,” then how do we describe Trump’s lack of real Americaness?

delaunayisation,

lmao his family “suffered” because his father was a fraudster that tried to get rich on scamming the US government during the war. The stories about his blue-collar roots are as real as Kim Jong Un inventing pizza.

EatATaco,

Holy shit the propaganda is real.

btaf45,

And I’m going to listen to your baseless accusation and ignore Bernie Sander’s crystal clarity? lmfao.

Bernie Sanders: Trump is the most corrupt president in our lifetimes

x.com/BernieSanders/status/1274442823190937602

captain_aggravated,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

“You think Hitler’s bad, what do you call Satan?!?! Checkmate!”

EatATaco,

Yes, that was clearly my argument. Good reading comprehension there and not some mindless kneejerk “muh both sides” response.

btaf45,

You know what my main problem with Joe Biden is?

He’s not Putin’s choice? He gave billionaires a tax increase instead of tax cut?

Joe Biden doesn’t know the first fucking thing about being an American because he hasn’t ever actually done it.

You mean despite being the only US Senator who rode the bus to work every day?

Joe Biden knows way more about being an American than you seem to.

whitehouse.gov/…/remarks-by-president-biden-on-de…

[Remarks by President Biden on Democracy and Freedom | Normandy, France]

Too many of the laws outright don’t apply to them

Which specific law does not apply to Joe Biden? You simply made that up. His son was just found guilty on a charge that almost no other person in America would even be charged with.

fritobugger2017,

there hasn’t been an election where it wasn’t choosing the least bad person.

jj4211,

I think as candidates Clinton, W. Bush, Gore, Obama, McCain had sincere support overshadowing the need to stop some particular bad person instead. As misguided as I think it is, Trump voters also are all about Trump less than stopping Biden. I can’t personally remember a race where “the other side must be stopped” as pretty much the sole consideration among the voters until the Trump era.

Yes, third party candidates are dismissed in a self fulfilling prophecy, but also that reality drives most reasonable would-be third party candidates to one of the viable parties, generally leaving third party candidates that wouldn’t be that popular anyway.

btaf45,

I think as candidates Clinton, W. Bush, Gore, Obama, McCain had sincere support

Joe Biden was better and more progressive than literally every one of those guys. It’s not Biden’s fault that you haven’t been paying much attention.

I can’t personally remember a race where “the other side must be stopped” as pretty much the sole consideration among the voters until the Trump era.

I can’t personally remember a president who has achieved more progress than Joe Biden, and I can remember every president starting with Nixon.

jj4211,

Note I didn’t claim the were progressive or that Biden did nothing, I’m saying voter sentiment is basically “not trump” rather than “for Biden”. I’ll accept that Kerry was in a similar position of being the “not W” candidate, but other than that I can’t think of a candidate whose popular support was so much more about “the other guy” than the candidate themselves.

btaf45,

WTF? Dude it is not Bidens fault that Convicted Felon and Sex Offender Treason Trump has been ranked as the worst president in history by historians. That means there are lots of “Biden Republicans”. But Dems would be voting for Biden over any Republicrat.

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

I can’t personally remember a race where “the other side must be stopped” as pretty much the sole consideration among the voters until the Trump era.

The Kerry '04 campaign might as well have been “Anyone But Bush”, and it went down in flames as a result. Every time Kerry was pressed on any kind of progressive-ish sounding issue, he ran to the right for fear of spooking the moderate centrist voter. Every time Bush was pressed on his conservative bona fides, he just pointed to 9/11 and said “I kept us safe” and the news media ate that shit up.

In the end, you had the Strong MAGA Security candidate in Bush and the flaky swish liberal candidate in Kerry. Kerry lost by 3M votes and 35 ECs, dwarfing the Bush/Gore defeat. Then he slunk back to the Senate and triangulated votes with John McCain for the next eight years.

kromem,

I was genuinely excited for Obama. I strongly supported him during the primary, was thrilled he won, and was very hopeful when he was elected.

Quickly disappointed not long after, but at least when he was first being elected it was definitely a “I really like this candidate and am hopeful they’ll live up to their promises.”

dezmd,
@dezmd@lemmy.world avatar

Obama’s first go around felt pretty legit.

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