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Thoughts on BOOX Tab Ultra C? (shop.boox.com)

Does anyone here have a BOOX e-paper tablet? I’m a big fan of e-paper devices—I love my Pebble smartwatch, Kindle Paperwhite, and Light Phone II. I’ve been eyeing the Tab Ultra C for quite a while, and I am considering the pros and cons. Mostly, I intend to use it for browsing the web and maybe some light note taking and...

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Yeah that's why I've held off on buying one of these. I would love a color e-ink display for art/design books but the tech just isn't there yet. I'd be ok with the colors just being so-so, but the darkness and lack of contrast is a big issue.

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Yeah that's my thought as well

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I feel like they could have cut down on the weight and price a considerable amount by not having that goofy screen on the front. Probably a bump to battery life too.

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I think that's a fair take. This product category needs people willing to throw boatloads of cash at it for an extended period of time and there's only so many companies capable and willing to do that. I think if another company had bought them, there's a very good chance they would have quit by now. I'm not sure Google would have stuck it out this long, they love acquiring and then murdering products.

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My personal theory on it is that what they really want is a device with an actually clear screen kinda like a Hololens, but not shitty and huge. Unfortunately technological hurdles prevented them from doing that, so this was their solve.

I suspect this eyes-through-the-device form factor is philosophically a branding element to them so they're faking it until it can be real to maintain some consistency.

I could be totally wrong though and it's more simply trying to "humanize" the things or some such. They're an idiosyncratic company sometimes. I would also not be surprised if they release a cheaper model in the future without it.

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Supposedly the gestures are one thing they did a really solid job of based on the demo recaps I've watched. And the eye tracking supposedly works quite well for focus state switching. The main complaint I've heard is that the virtual keyboard sucks.

I'll be really interested to see more in depth reviews when they start coming out.

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Here's what that Mark Gurman dude (Apple/Tech journalist for Bloomberg) tweeted about it:

The Vision Pro virtual keyboard is a complete write-off at least in 1.0. You have to poke each key one finger at a time like you did before you learned how to type. There is no magical in-air typing. You can also look at a character and pinch. You’ll want a Bluetooth keyboard.

So sounds like its either poke or look + pinch gesture and both options suck for a keyboard. I just think a virtual keyboard is a very difficult problem to solve for for several reasons which is why every attempt at them thus far has been shit.

And that's kinda the whole problem with VR/MR. It's some of the absolute hardest computing and optical and battery hardware and UI challenges we can find, all bundled into one product. It's just an incredibly steep task and a lot of the solves aren't even really a matter of "oh this is expensive" as much as it is "we're not sure if this is even possible right now."

I really hope we eventually get a fully mature device. I quite like VR and see so much potential in it.

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At the same time the LLM will be used to replace (at least some of ) the people who created those works in the first place.

This right here is the core of the moral issue when it comes down to it, as far as I'm concerned. These text and image models are already killing jobs and applying downward pressure on salaries. I've seen it happen multiple times now, not just anecdotally from some rando on an internet comment section.

These people losing jobs and getting pay cuts are who created the content these models are siphoning up. People are not going to like how this pans out.

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I mostly disagree (especially on the long term), but hope you're right

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Literally every artist copies, it's how we all learn. The difference is that every artist out there does not have an enterprise-class-data-center-powerd-super-human ability to absorb <ALL THE ART> and then be able to spit out anything instantly. It still takes time and hard work and dedication. And through the years of hard work people put into learning how their heroes do X, Y, and Z, they develop a style of their own.

It's how artists cut their teeth and work their way into the profession. What you're welcoming in is a situation where nobody can find any success whatsoever until they are absolutely original and of course that is an impossible moving target when every original ideal and design and image can just be instantly siphoned back up into the AI model.

Nobody could survive that way. Nobody can break into the artistic industry that way. Except for the wealthy. All the low level work people get earlier in their careers that helps keep them afloat while they learn is gone now. You have to be independently wealthy to become a high level artist capable of creating truly original work. Because there's no other way to subsidize the time and dedication that takes when all the work for people honing their craft has been hoovered up by machines.

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It was of no use whatsoever to programming or image generation or writing a few years ago. This thing has developed very quickly and will continue to. Give it 5 years and I think things will look very differently.

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Lol yeah the timing of their comment couldn't have been more ironic

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I think they're recommending that you do something like firewall/piehole them

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I'm sitting here watching Nvidia Shield, Amazon, and Windows, etc all cram ads into their shit and really reaaally hoping Apple doesn't break on this one.

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He's gonna bail out before this goes into discovery. This is a SLAPP suit if I ever saw one.

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Been my experience that mastodon is chock full of furries too. So much of it gets posted on the art centric server I’m on. Had to create multiple filters for it.

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Yeah the not being able to fully move your account and all its history is one of the biggest shortcomings of AP for me. I hope they shore that up eventually.

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As someone in the Netherlands who has to use it and really doesn’t want to, I sure hope this motivates to Dutch to stop using this stupid app as the defacto texting platform.

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Yep. It’s like that here and it sucks ass. Every person and business uses it. I think even the Gemente does in some cases.

Let the community work it out: A throwback to early internet days could fix social media’s crisis of legitimacy (www.niemanlab.org)

[…]why should a few companies — or a few billionaire owners — have the power to decide everything about online spaces that billions of people use? This unaccountable model of governance has led stakeholders of all stripes to criticize platforms’ decisions as arbitrary, corrupt or irresponsible. In the early, pre-web days...

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Yeah the internet being effectively crowded into a dozen or so sites controlled fiercely by nasty data hoarding mega corps is definitely the problem. And it really does feel like it has come to a head in the last few years. I've been on the net since the 90s and the recent shift has been really jarring and sad to see.

I really intend to ratchet it back. I've taken all the social media apps off my phone and am looking to get back to stuff like forums more than social platforms and honestly just not sitting online so much in general. The time I'm spending online is not feeling like a clear cut net positive anymore.

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