I know that a lot of what Nix does is working around its break from FHS, but I can imagine there are still things that seep through. Are there any unsolvable problems due to this?
I saw on this post that it is possible to use FHS on Nix. Does this solve all potential issues then?
Eh. I didn’t personally find that the upheaval added much, and it interfered with my muscle memory working with FHS systems… which are everything else. It didn’t add, like, BeOS-levels of drastic benefit in exchange for being so divergent. And it obviously never caught on anywhere else.
You may be interested in reading this post about the process of packaging Steam.
tl;dr: It’s mostly an annoyance reserved for packagers to deal with. Dynamically linked executables can be patched in a fairly universal fashion to work without FHS, so that’s the go-to approach. If the executable is statically linked, the package may have to ship a source patch instead. If the executable is statically linked & close-source, the packagers are forced to resort to simulating an FHS environment via chroot.
I would say it’s actually easier in many cases. Nix has really fantastic packaging tooling. You do have to learn a bit of the nix language, however (not become an expert).
The issue comes when trying to build from source. In most other distros, ou just follow the readme. In nix, you have to package it.
Nix installs derivations into separate folders. A derivation can be a package, but can also be other things like configuration files, scripts or sources for packages. Nix doesn’t distinguish between these derivations by a name but rather by a hash created from their build instructions.
For example two instances of the same package with a different version are two different derivations and thus nix can have both package versions installed without them interfering with each other. But this goes beyond just a package version. It is e.g. possible to have the same package with the same version but different patches applied, or relying on different versions of dependencies. Since their build instructions differ both can be installed simultaneously.
This approach grants a variety of advantages. For example upgrading your NixOS system just installs new derivations of packages and configuration files that have changed, while keeping previous derivations until they’re garbage collected at a later time. This allows you to switch freely between both iterations of your system, for example if an update causes issues you can just revert back to before an update easily. Another advantage is that an unprivileged user can install packages they need without interfering with the rest of the system, for example an older python version or a newer one, or some software they want but the system does not provide.
The price of having this kind of isolation between packages is that nixos cannot install binaries and libraries into common locations. Effectively /usr/bin only contains the env binary. If you’re familiar with shell scripting you might have run into lines such as #!/usr/bin/env bash. This env util will essentially search bash in your PATH variable and start it. Lines like #!/bin/bash however will not work, because there’s no bash installed in that location.
Another case where a missing fhs is a problem is when using pre-compiled binaries. In contrast to binaries built through nix, which have their required libraries hardcoded as absolute paths, pre-compiled binaries you download usually only contain the name of the library they need, which works in a conventional fhs environment, because these libraries tend to be found in /libor /usr/lib. On NixOS neither of those are present. There two solutions to this. Either you create an fhs environment by listing the set of derivations to be symlinked into a chroot environment which mimics an FHS. Or you can install github.com/Mic92/nix-ld which automatically finds the required libraries the nix way if you start such a binary. There’s also steam-run which installs an fhs with most of the dependencies necessary to start Linux games from Steam.
Choosing the most recent one might be impossible if you have multiple installations of the same package with same version but different features enabled during the configure step.
Conflict resolution is not an impossible task. You just need to have a sensible algorithm. I get that they don’t want to do it lest people abuse it instead of using nix but there isn’t a technical challenge that can’t be overcome.
That’s what I meant. How the default is chosen is irrelevant and is not my point. (You can pick the earliest installed among the latest version for example) The point is, it can be done and isn’t a technical challenge.
It’s not that it’s hard to do. It’s that it goes directly against the idea of NixOS since it breaks the separation. With NixOS I can start a shell in a different iteration of my system without switching over the whole system. If I had all my software installed into standard places, that shell might find things it’s not supposed to find.
Bottom line is: Most things work on NixOS out of the box. The PATH variable is adjusted accordingly to what a program is supposed to find, which in my opinion is perfectly reasonable and enough for software to find other software. The dynamic library paths are hardcoded as absolute paths, so software can find it’s libraries. There’s a special dynamic loader for binaries that don’t adhere to this. And if you really need an FHS compliant environment NixOS gives you the tools to create one in a sandbox.
You can either have the perks of NixOS or use an FHS compliant distro. That’s your choice.
Imho there’s a difference between “people abuse it” and “it is possible for programs to use software that they shouldn’t even find”. Anyway I noticed just now you weren’t the one to actually ask the initial question of whether it’s technically possible, so I apologize for not noticing this earlier. However I think it’s a meaningless endeavor to ponder whether or not it’s possible when that fact is irrelevant.
If you put an FHS on the actual system you wouldn’t be able to install multiple versions of the same package, updates wouldn’t be atomic - you wouldn’t get the big selling points of Nix.
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