Snoopy, (edited )
@Snoopy@jlai.lu avatar

There is some drawback. The main one : app can’t communicate with each other.

Example firefox and his extension keepass. As keepass can’t communicate with firefox, you have to open both apps and switch their windows.

You can use flatseal to manage communication between apps but that’s not an easy process and may prove a security issue if you don’t understand the technical jargon.

GravitySpoiled,

You only need flatseal on GNOME. KDE has it baked into the settings

Snoopy,
@Snoopy@jlai.lu avatar

Thank for the information. i didn’t know since i use vanilla os :)

GravitySpoiled,

Kde has many things baked into the settings that gnome hasn’t. GNOME is just more beautiful (and has PaperWM which is why I have to use GNOME)

RotatingParts,

Where in KDE are those settings? I see Flatpak permissions listed in Discover (bottom of right panel,) but you can’t change them there. Not sure where else to look. I’ve been using Flatseal but if it isn’t needed …

GravitySpoiled,

You can’t change them? github.com/KDE/flatpak-kcm

Pantherina,

Under the apps section, or just search “flatpak”

Caboose12000,

can you elaborate on this? I’m on nobara and I had a hard time trying to get flatseal to work for syncthing

Kusimulkku,

I think they’ve actually made progress fixing this specific issue

fine_sandy_bottom,

It was a shitshow when I looked at it a few weeks ago.

Vilian,

to be fair there is a portal, it need to get implemented tho

GravitySpoiled, (edited )

It is the default on atomic distros. And many people who got to know flatpaks use it as a default on traditional installs as well.

But there are still bugs and quirks with some apps. Not all apps have all the functionality as a traditional install. E.g. dolphin or terminals.

It is up and coming and gradually replacing traditional installs. You rarely find an app that you can’t install via flathub.

There are theming issues with older flatpaks.

Edit:

I have no idea how to view logs in the terminal with flatpaks.

You can’t easily run flatpaks by their common known names. You have to use the reverse flatpak name which is annoying and difficult.

TheAgeOfSuperboredom,

I don’t use Flatpak much, but I rarely see issues. Sometimes I see minor things like themes not quite being right, but its never been bad enough for me to spend the time to fix it.

I suppose another downside is the need to have the base runtime packages, so it could take more disk space if each app uses a different one. In practice apps will share runtimes though.

lemmyng,
@lemmyng@lemmy.ca avatar

The biggest downside is that it’s only for distributing applications with a graphical user interface. Command line utilities still need another method of distribution.

aberrate_junior_beatnik,

I keep seeing this criticism, but flatpak provides a run command on its cli that works just fine. It is a little clunky though.

jerrythegenius,
@jerrythegenius@lemmy.world avatar

Clunky as in flatpak run io.neovim.nvim instead of just nvim

Plopp,

Can’t you alias that?

oldfart,

I don’t need to do it with native-installed programs. And they are properly integrated with the OS, if you install them:

  1. You get a menu entry in gui
  2. You get a binary or a wrapper in /usr/bin
aberrate_junior_beatnik,

Yep. But,


<span style="color:#323232;">sudo tee /usr/local/bin/nvim <<EOF
</span><span style="color:#323232;">#!/bin/sh
</span><span style="color:#323232;">flatpak run io.neovim.nvim "$@"
</span><span style="color:#323232;">EOF
</span><span style="color:#323232;">chmod +x /usr/local/bin/nvim
</span>

(I haven’t tested this, that I use similar code for a different program)

It sure would be nice if flatpak bundled some functionality to do this for you, though.

@oldfart

oldfart,

There is no .desktop menu entry and i need to remember a lengthy fqdn which does not autocomplete, great ui

0485919158191,
@0485919158191@lemmy.world avatar

That’s a good point!

BaalInvoker,

As everything in life, yes, there is downside. Major downside is that it can occupy more space in your hd or ssd.

However I think the downsides are not that bad to justify all the hatred some guys have.

Flatpak positive sides are way more relevant then the downsides

oldfart,

Space is one thing, bandwidth is another when you don’t have a gigabit connection or ability to upgrade to one

lemmyreader,

I like Flatpak, especially now that it has upstream providing packages. It does not have auto updates yet as far as I know. Not a big deal, if there are important security updates in the news, it is time to check for updates.

burgersc12,

Take a look at this site that goes into the details of the shortcomings of Flatpak, its from 2020 but I’m sure some of this is relevant still

0485919158191,
@0485919158191@lemmy.world avatar

Thank you! Very interesting read!

scratchandgame,

I don’t think anyone dislike this comment is really correct: When they said you can use flatseal, they are making user become security expert overnight.

Too much for anyone claim themselves “practical” “security”

Tzeentch,
@Tzeentch@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

That blogpost is considered to be somewhat flawed with its information, as explained here: tesk.page/2021/02/11/response-to-flatkill-org/

burgersc12,

This is a much better read than mine, thanks for sharing!

jerrythegenius, (edited )
@jerrythegenius@lemmy.world avatar

Some people don’t like it because it uses a bit more storage and can start a bit slower, (I think) they can’t be used for system packages, and I’ve also had some issues with theming

GravitySpoiled, (edited )

This should be pinned somewhere …gnome.org/…/on-flatpak-disk-usage-and-deduplicat…

Edit: the speed shouldn’t be a real issue. You may measure a difference but that’s not an issue as it was with snaps until they improved upon it.

acockworkorange,

One thing I always wondered is whether libraries in memory would be duplicated or not. I have seen a lot of people talking about storage space which is cheap and shouldn’t really be the focus for desktops. But I haven’t seen anything about in memory usage.

GravitySpoiled,

Good question. With 16 GB RAM 8 haven’t seen RAM issues for normal stuff

acockworkorange,

Me neither but I if we’re considering having all but the core of the distro in Flatpacks, this policy might mean Linux becoming less accessible to more modest configurations.

Unless Flatpacks deal with it somehow like regular packages do. If two app packages contain the same library within (as opposed to packaged in a dependency), can Flatpack figure out they’re the same and share code memory between the two? For library packages with two apps depending on different versions of the same third party flatpack, does it assume the newer version can be applied to both, optimizing memory usage? If so, wouldn’t that break the premise of flatpacks?

Can I convince my autocorrect that flatpacks and flapjacks are different things?

Inquiring minds want to know.

wildbus8979,

Using flatpak on low end devices (like Linux phones), I can tell you from experience, the speed liss is noticeable. Specially for application startup. As is the resource overhead.

GravitySpoiled, (edited )

That’s a fairly good point. On mobile startup can be crucial because sessions are short in comparison to desktop where you have longer sessions and startup time is negligable (even the slow startup times of snaps could be ignored for e.g. a video editing session)

Low specs shouldn’t keep the community from moving into newer technology.

wildbus8979,

Precisely. I’ve been playing with Mobian on a One Plus 6 (works great) and while I really like the idea of using mostly sandboxed app much like things work on Android, right now it certainly negatively impacts the experience.

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