I use the inverse of this strategy; whenever I figure out that I’m wrong about something, I immediately admit I was mistaken and change my position. All I have to do is make sure my logic is impeccable and I’ll almost always win an argument.
socialism is desireable. no capitalists making decisions solely for themselves.
> MLism isn’t a good example of socialism.
“Ah, but have you considered that capitalism is bad?”
painful and dangerous revolution
The October Revolution had 0 deaths on either side. It worked because the government fell to pieces instantly and there was no resistance.
this one is simply untrue […] western media smearing of china, be careful about it since we are in the middle of a cold war.
I’m marking that down on my bingo card.
they overbuilt housing and infrastructure on purpose
“No, making empty houses was all a part of Daddy Xi’s 7D Chess game!” 🤣
This sounds like tankie media lionizing China. Be careful of that, because literally all of them have always been entirely unreliable.
throughout the entire existence of the USSR
Wow, I didn’t realize the USSR ended in 1919. I’ll have to tell my friends.
central to the ML strategy
Wow, I never realized that fascists playing “we’re socialists actually” stepping directly on worker’s necks was required. I always thought it was incidental.
MLs aren’t socialists. You are not a socialist. Marx specifically warned against people who would use revolutionary language to subvert and infiltrate, and that’s tankie creeps like you.
There’s a difference between being okay with something and begrudgingly working with circumstances while simultaneously criticizing people who give up because things aren’t perfect.
I’m not okay with Biden being the best candidate, but that doesn’t make abstention a viable voting strategy.
Yeah, I’m re-assessing my thoughts on Cuba. I was under the vague impression that they didn’t have the same rot at the core of the CCP and USSR. Maybe they don’t and this is a particular low point. Either way, bad look.
Arguing against voting for Biden is a pro-genocide tactic because it increases the probability of more genocide. Anti-voting activism is an inviable strategy.
Yeah, because that’s what happens when a society weighed down by decades of stunted development due to mismanagement industrializes; a brief period of rapid growth as the economy catches up to the rest of the world. Incidentally, this period of rapid growth was then followed by a long period of stagnation and decline, with some sectors reaching or occasionally exceeding parity with the United States while others lagged behind. Leninism’s unique contributions to the prosperity of Russia is vastly overstated.
It’s true that China has fared far better than the remains of the USSR, but even the CCP is starting to falter from the rot of corruption. China’s infrastructure and housing are literally falling to pieces under a reign of state capitalism; construction firms are selling houses of sand because people are purchasing property as a form of investment. Considering that China is the most successful Leninist experiment, and the PRC has existed for less than a century, the record is rather abysmal.
[trade unions] are central to our strategy
Then why did Lenin abolish them? I’m glad you think highly of trade unions, but if you didn’t, you’d be neither the first, second, nor third ML that I’ve conversed with who said they were bourgeois institutions that preserved capitalism. Putting that aside, Lenin also clearly didn’t think much about democracy either, since he overthrew the duly-elected menshiviks.
mostly still the most successful ones we ever had despite their problems.
If your only metric for success is how long something lasts, then an even more successful leftist project is the Republic of Venice. If you’re thinking “But the republic of Venice isn’t leftist!” yes, that’s my point.
I guess you’ve never heard of trade unions, or you’re under some insane impression that they’re illegitimate (typical of ML sophistry, so I wouldn’t be surprised). The teamsters have existed since 1903 and in that time have demonstrated themselves to be resistant to corruption, able to recover from corruption after it takes hold, positively affected the working conditions of workers that interact with every sector and industry in an entire country and they’ve never committed a genocide, nor betrayed Anarchists in a war against fascism. Frankly, MLs ain’t got a thing on teamsters.
It wasn’t too long ago that’s you saw fit to lecture me about how ML projects were the only long-term large-scale socialist projects to be “successful”. Maybe consider reading more thoroughly on history before making such declarations, and don’t restrict your information to sources from a personality cult.