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groet, to world in Tajikistan Set To Outlaw Islamic Hijab After Years Of Unofficial Ban

Tajik Islam is its own thing. They are (relatively) open and women are frequently seen in public. They can walk around on their own and they dont cover their heads with hijabs or similar. They are also very vary of foreign influences such as Arabic Islam, Turkish Islam and above all Taliban influences. The hijab is a staple in all of these forms of Islam, so banning it is essentialy telling those groups to stop trying to take over Tajik Islam. This is a good thing. It is protecting women from a shift to much more oppressing religious practices.

Psychodelic,

I’m honestly not a fan of the government deciding which version of a religion is correct, and I’m even less into the gov enforcing targeted dress codes. It seems super authoritarian to me and I can’t really see how it could be a good thing.

I’d consider myself anti-theist but still, I don’t see how you can live in a free society and let the government have that power

That said, I’m open to learning how this could be a positive/negative and whether or not it would create a group of second class citizens.

AngryCommieKender, (edited )

As a non-participating* Baha’i, I still agree.

I can understand the potential ban against the hijab in governmental, scholarly, and other public places, but only because of how the Shia, and to a lesser extent the Sufi, attempt to enforce those laws, and the absolute fact that religion and politics have no place in the same arena.

Since it is Sunni that are creating and enforcing progressive laws, who am I to disagree? I can only mourn the needless violence and suffering that may occur amongst my cousins.

  • I was kind of “raised” Baha’i, except not exactly. I do not exercise any of my rights such as voting because I do not interact with other Baha’is. I am still technically a Baha’i, but I have been given the choice of the hardest route, of isolation and teaching by example.
groet,

Dont get me wrong, Tajikistan is a capital D dictatorship. With pictures of the president on every public building and daily propaganda prodcasts from megaphones installed at public squares. Its also not the first time the government banned certain traditions (such as a way to celebrate weddings).

They are banning the symptom instead of the cause. Instead of banning preachers of foreign schools of Islam they are banning something that is central to those preachings.

I agree, banning religious expression is generally a bad thing, I am just happy they are fighting to keep radical Islam out of the country. For reference, Tajiks are the second largest ethnic group in Afghanistan (~25% of the population) so there is bound to be cultural exchange between the countries. a And Tajikistan is very afraid of the Taliban getting any support in Tajikistan. And the first step of that support is through religious radicalization.

Archelon,

My main disagreement with this decision is the same reason I disagree with countries that strictly enforce wearing hijabs.

Whether or not a person chooses to wear a hijab, or a burka, or khakis, or a swimsuit, or nothing at all is a personal decision. It’s the part where they choose that’s important.

It’s certainly arguable whether social or cultural or religious norms can remove the ability to choose without any legal action whatsoever, but I don’t think that justifies this kind of action and I don’t think this law will result in any sort of liberation. Historically speaking this direction tends to result more in reactionary radicalization.

BarbecueCowboy, to world in Tajikistan Set To Outlaw Islamic Hijab After Years Of Unofficial Ban

Looking at demographics, predominately is almost an understatement for the Islamic population, looks like maybe up to 96%? I’m treading carefully on my wording here because I know anything along these lines is always sensitive, but it sounds like they’d be inclined to be supportive of Islamic standards, I just kind of wonder where this ban comes from?

manucode,
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As far as I know, the hijab is more of an Arab tradition rather than a Muslim one though many non-Arab muslims have adopted it as well. In Tajikistan it might never have been common. Please take all of this with a grain of salt though, I’m far from an expert on any of these topics.

PhlubbaDubba, to world in Tajikistan Set To Outlaw Islamic Hijab After Years Of Unofficial Ban

The sad thing is all this does for women who are actually being forced is convince the men in their lives to just never let them leave the home.

Psychodelic,

I don’t think I understand your comment. Are you saying you think those men only let them go out because they expected them to get a good paying job and now they can’t? Or like because of the masseuse thing?

PhlubbaDubba,

I’m saying they won’t be allowed to leave their homes because if given the choice between letting them leave uncovered or holding them prisoner, muslims who coerce the hijab will opt for holding them prisoner.

This is basically a hostile architecture law. Something that doesn’t actually address any of the problems it’s supposedly meant to solve, but instead just forces the people affected by it out of public view where others won’t see it and start pestering their leaders about it.

Psychodelic,

Ah, gotcha. Makes sense now. Thanks for the reply. I totally agree

paddirn, to world in Death Toll From Russian Bombing Of Kharkiv Hardware Store Climbs To 16*

Still hitting those strategically important military targets I see.

FlyingSquid, to world in Death Toll From Russian Bombing Of Kharkiv Hardware Store Climbs To 16*
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As horrific as this is, and believe me I would not suggest otherwise, Mighty Russia, supposed military rival of the U.S., has been trying its damnedest to murder Ukrainians and this is one of the deadliest attacks they’ve been able to make. There could be up to 200 dead here and I hope there aren’t, but if this is the worst Russia can do and it’s taken this long, that says quite a bit.

CerealOverdose666,

Not everything is about the US, jesus

FlyingSquid,
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I was using that to illustrate what Russia has been traditionally thought of in terms of power- equal to the world’s largest and supposedly most powerful military. I’m not sure why you would think I was making it about the U.S. unless “U.S.” was the only word you read in the comment.

fuckingkangaroos,

Not as bad as when the Kremlin bombed that theatre in Mariupol full of children with an enormous sign outside that said “children”

sun_is_ra, to world in Iran's Repression Of Baha'is Amounts To 'Crime Against Humanity,' Says Rights Watchdog

Many middle eastern countries oppress bahahis, why Iran is singled out?

vind,
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Because Iran has threatened Israel to stop the genocide in Gaza

nkat2112, to world in Iran's Repression Of Baha'is Amounts To 'Crime Against Humanity,' Says Rights Watchdog
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I wonder if this is used to serve as a distraction from the on-going genocide that has killed 33k Palestinians so far.

reagansrottencorpse, to world in Iran's Repression Of Baha'is Amounts To 'Crime Against Humanity,' Says Rights Watchdog

Posts radio free Europe link, known propaganda arm of the USA. Lol.

vind,
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Same as RadioFreeAsia which is the only source for all those weird North Korea articles, like “Kim Jong-Un says NK found a Unicorn!” Or “All NK boys have to get the same haircut!”

Billy,

you’re welcome to read hrw’s article about it on their site.
Iran: Persecution of Baha’is

Mr_Blott, to world in U.S. Ambassador Issues Rare Statement On Warning Before Russia's Crocus Massacre

Honestly I’ve seen zero evidence that the “information shared… was specific”

Not a single credible news source has reported that.

Not being a dick, just wondering what they mean by “specific”

“It’s highly likely there will be a terrorist attack at some point soon” wouldn’t carry much weight if the russkis said it to the yanks, let’s face it

LibertyLizard,

I mean we don’t know the nature of the intelligence, so take state department statements with a grain of salt but I’m not sure why you would assume it was that vague.

ArgentRaven,

You think they’d divulge the intelligence report, thus potentially exposing their sources, to settle Internet arguments?

If it was internal to the US after the investigation when all the involved parties were identified, a la 9/11, then I would expect it. But not in international relations.

mindlight,

Well, it doesn’t matter what intelligence US shared with Russia on beforehand. Russia already knew it was Ukraine long before even ISIS planned the attack…

sagrotan, to world in Kyrgyzstan Calls On Citizens Not To Travel To Russia
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I thought the guy in the picture has the wildest afro ever. I was wrong, just shadow :(

robocall, to world in Kyrgyzstan Calls On Citizens Not To Travel To Russia
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Probably a good idea to avoid Russia if possible right now.

wise_pancake, to world in Putin Fears Navalny Funeral Could Trigger Mass Demonstrations, Khodorkovsky Says

Probably shouldn’t have killed him then.

ConditionOverload, to world in Putin Fears Navalny Funeral Could Trigger Mass Demonstrations, Khodorkovsky Says
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As if there’s anything real to fear for that election for Putin. Dude’s probably rigged it for his entire life. Not even sure what the point of this sentiment is.

NOT_RICK,
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They’re not worried by the potential election results, they’re worried about mass protests overwhelming police forces’ ability to quell them.

NOT_RICK, to world in Putin Fears Navalny Funeral Could Trigger Mass Demonstrations, Khodorkovsky Says
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Really not helping himself with all the Rosgvardia tied up in Ukraine.

Fapper_McFapper, to world in Putin Fears Navalny Funeral Could Trigger Mass Demonstrations, Khodorkovsky Says

Putin fears many things.

Rainbow colors Independent thinking Cocks, he’s terrified of cocks. Ukraine NATO The EU The Baltic States Obama Biden Nalvany’s wife Short tables Gay bars Windows Large gatherings Small gatherings Gatherings

I bet he flinches like a motherfucker if a loud noise goes off near him. Bitch gave himself PTSD.

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