I’m sorry but I’ve tried the opposite. I feel that I replied with honesty, while your reply sounds like something you have already premade in your head. Name those European societies, I only see a bit less corruption (or just a bit more effort in hiding it), and also see a lot of “one rule fits all”. I’ve just been to Sweden and Norway, and different types of citizens have different types of complaints about it, and in no way shape or form they live sustainably. They also have a lot of issues regarding incorporating all the immigrants into their society. Where is this “socialist haven” you are talking about?