AITAH for pirating games before buying them?

Nowadays, the absolute vast majority of games that I play are shit tbh.

This is why I pirate games first to try them out. I wanna be very clear that if I think a game is good I buy it, no questions asked.

However, since most games don’t have demos or trials, I don’t want to feel like I’ve wasted money so I look to piracy so that I can try them out before making a purchase.

AITAH?

thefartographer,

Is it a small studio or a place that encourages unionization and pays creators for their creation? Then not really, cuz you still paid for it in the end.

Is it a shit studio with shit ethics? Then yes. Stop giving monsters financial approval.

Chozo,

Or just stop playing games from shit studios with shit ethics in the first place. If they're that bad, you shouldn't be playing their games at all, pirated or not.

thefartographer,

Sometimes the neighborhood bully has the best toys. Why can’t you play with their Tickle-me-Elmo and piss in their sandbox?

ram,
@ram@bookwormstory.social avatar

You’re an asshole for paying industry execs to be vampires after you see they’ve managed to narrowly evade the enshittification of their studio.

luciferofastora,

You might want to remember that there are also working grunts in that food chain. They already got paid to make the game, yes, but that was in the expectation of profit. If the game crashes, those execs will look for scapegoats.

Buying games feeds the vampires, but also the devs (even if only in scraps). In our current world, there’s not a whole lot of options outside of “only buy indie games” to both support developers and avoid filling the pockets of execs and investors.

A few people pirating games instead of paying for them isn’t a big deal, but it eventually turns into a “tragedy of the commons” issue like other forms of theft. Either the suppliers won’t be able to stay in business or they’ll work out ever more comprehensive (and invasive) prevention mechanisms. Remember when games were just the program on the disk and you didn’t need keys and an online connection to activate your copy?

ram,
@ram@bookwormstory.social avatar

but also the devs (even if only in scraps)

If you’re buying games that are more than 3 months old, they do not. Bonuses are given for metacritic scores and launch quarter sales. They’re never given royalties.

there’s not a whole lot of options outside of “only buy indie games” to both support developers and avoid filling the pockets of execs and investors.

What’s wrong with telling people to buy indie games and pirate anything made at the directive of blood-sucking vampires?

Remember when games were just the program on the disk and you didn’t need keys and an online connection to activate your copy?

Remember when games were just some free software on Usenet that someone made because they thought it’d be cool, and shared because they were proud of it?

luciferofastora,

I didn’t say they were getting paid directly, but indirectly. Their employment and income - like all other working class grunts’ - depends on their ability to generate profit for their employer. If we deny the employer their profit, the employer will take that out on their grunts. Conversely, if we pay them, that money likely will end up sponsoring further developments which - guess what? - pays the developers for developing more stuff.

Much of our modern economy is centered around credit and debt. The developers are effectively paid as a credit, in the expectation that the profits will pay the debt. If it doesn’t, that will affect further credits.

And no, I don’t remember Usenet, but it sounds like that was a good time then. How do they compare to modern games in terms of entertainment?

ram,
@ram@bookwormstory.social avatar

How do they compare to modern games in terms of entertainment?

I’d comfortably argue that Tetris is amongst the best games ever made.

Catoblepas,

Almost none of the profit made off AAA games goes to the people actually creating the game. They don’t get a bonus if the new Madden makes $10 mil more than the old one. You’re tossing hundreds at the CEOs and saying it’s worth it if the devs get a few pennies.

Many of them probably aren’t even at the same studio anymore by the time you’re buying the game.

luciferofastora,

Did you actually read my comment? They don’t get the profit from the old game. The success pays for them to develop new games.

Asked the other way round, if the game’s profit doesn’t pay the devs, what does?

The company employing them

Why does the company employ them?

To make money

So what happens if the company stops making money? A game’s profit doesn’t pay the past developers, but it does affect their future employment and income.

I’m not defending the exploitative system that bleeds us dry for the privilege of getting to temporarily benefit from the wealth they’ve already extracted. I’m not opposing piracy. I’m very much in support of OP’s strategy.

All I’m saying is that piracy won’t fix that system, because the ones most dependent on the game’s success aren’t the exec’s that’ll be hired elsewhere nor the investors that’ll extract their wealth elsewhere, but the devs whose employment and existence depends on their capacity to generate that wealth.

Attack the system at the top, but don’t drop the bottom.

Steinsprut,
@Steinsprut@szmer.info avatar

Not at all

alansuspect,

I used to love getting floppy disks on the front of magazines 💾

Mchugho,

People’s views on IP boil down to: I want to pirate games. None of you are thinking about patents and trademarks and how they benefit people from having their work shat on. Lemmy is infuriating.

TheAnonymouseJoker, (edited )

If you play the game beyond what would be a trial/demo (equivalent of first chapter/level content), yes you would be. And the fact is, basically everyone is okay being an asshole, because the demographic of video games cannot ask their parents for thousands of dollars every year, at the rate they complete each game. Most video game pirates are either completionists, collectors or speedrunners.

I would say though the differentiator is video games that have practically stopped selling (pre 2007 and retro) and their companies that have gone bankrupt/defunct/extinct, in which case it does not matter at all, as the creators no longer earn money from the game.

Many unreasonable people that claim DRM is bad for performance, disguise the argument that all DRM is as evil and bad for performance as Denuvo is. Arguments need to be honest, so call DRM what it is. Masking arguments makes them weaker.

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