You can do whatever ignorant thing you want, but I’m guessing ethnic Jewish groups like the Sephardic Jews (originally from Iberia) and Beta Israel (originally from Ethiopia) would object on the grounds that it would be really fucking stupid.
I don’t know if you’re a fan of Some More News, but their most recent episode was on all the terrible arguments to justify the Israeli genocide and the ‘title monkey’ keeps repeatedly asking “but do you condemn Hamas?”
Found the article by middle east eye but the article is vague, and apparently they quote from Israel but taken it out of context. Very typical of MEE. But the truth isn’t too far off.
Post like this basically give the election to trump. Stop the madness.
Edit: Jesus fuck! Do I really need to write /s on this sub? A point of clarity for those who doubt. Biden has failed to use his political power to stop a heinous act. We can’t always stop horrors everywhere, but here we can actively do something. Frankly, we should be delivering aid directly under the guidance on UNRA.
What gives the election to trump is biden’s inability to not support genocide. Trying to get people to be quiet about it only makes me wanna vote for him even less than I already do, since he’s clearly the pro-genocide candidate
He won’t be better. But as a non american I can understand why someone would feel voting a genocide enabler is just impossible. Here in Germany it is a somewhat comparable situation (but at least I can give my vote for a minority party, that might actually get into parliament).
Remember when Trump moved the US embassy to Jerusalem declaring Jerusalem the capital of Israel? People are kill-informed if they think things get better for the Palestinians under Trump 2.0.
I almost feel like a dummy for falling for this cx I wouldn’t have a few months ago, but lately I’ve seen a lot of liberals share this sentiment genuinely. The idea that any criticism of biden or things he supports is russian or chinese propaganda trying to get trump elected. It seems to have calmed down recently, but a few weeks ago I saw someone saying pro palestinian protestors were russian spies who should be shot
All it takes is for one man, Joe Biden, to act differently in this one thing, to pretty much guarantee that Trump loses.
Yet instead of that one man stopping support for Fascists and their Genocide, we get endless parroting if this, frankly disgusting, propaganda that the “only way” is for millions of people to swallow their principles and humanitarianism and endorse a guy activelly supporting a Genocide.
Why should millions yield in their unwillingness to have mass murder activelly supported in their name and with their taxes all just so that one guy, one single guy, can continue using the resources he has been entrusted with by voters to activelly support mass murder?!
I don’t understand this comment after my edit. It was sarcastic. Biden can and should stop funding and supplying Israel. I think the sooner he does so, the sooner he secures the youth vote, and relectuant progressive, and the Muslim American vote.
I don’t understand how that is some sort of salve for genocide. Am I suppose to feel better knowing that Biden and Trump enable genocide? Lesser of two evils doesn’t mean we don’t end up in an awful place.
I wasn’t commenting on that. I was commenting on how someone said this gives trump a win. It doesn’t, he would act the same way. They both have blood on their hands. Btw, I’m wondering when the holocaust pass that Israel gets expires? When does it become wrong again when they commit the very crimes that were perpetrated against their ancestors? Just wondering.
I heard this a lot. The reality is, if hamas surrender now, they will still be out there looking for hamas, because no one know how many hamas is out there, who is the hamas, or when will hamas strike.
You know, i don’t really wanna engage with these “they brought it upon themselves” argument, because it’s really just gonna spiral down into endless back and forth where the origin is only remotely resemble the issue today. To say palestinian deserve what they get because of Hamas is like saying Israeli deserve what they get because of Netanyahu.
You didn’t explicitly say “deserving”, you’re implying. Heavily. There’s no strawman.
Isolating this situation in such a narrow timeline doesn’t make it better either, it’s a very complex issue that need to have a clear separation between modern conflict and past. Which is why I don’t want to engage in discussing, people will either only isolate the whole situation to the current conflict or be very quickly point out the ancient history.
Comparing a resistance movement against a colonizing occupier to the actions that two industrialized nations took against each other during wartime is not really the best way to frame this. If we look at the colonial expansion of the United States against the Native tribes and collectives that were already here, that had established their own system of governing based on mutual collaboration, it gives us a better perspective and context.
When Lebanon laid down their arms and surrendered with security guarantee from the US that they wold not be harmed, israel committed mass rape and Genocide. This is also where they stole the “pregnant women with the baby ripped out” story from. Israel actually did that themselves:
Janet Lee Stevens, an American journalist, later wrote to her husband, Dr. Franklin Lamb, “I saw dead women in their houses with their skirts up to their waists and their legs spread apart; dozens of young men shot after being lined up against an alley wall; children with their throats slit, a pregnant woman with her stomach chopped open, her eyes still wide open, her blackened face silently screaming in horror; countless babies and toddlers who had been stabbed or ripped apart and who had been thrown into garbage piles.”
As Defense Minister, Ariel Sharon had overall responsibility over the Israeli Defense Forces and allowed Phalangist militias to enter the camps where they terrorized the residents for three days.
During the BBC program, Morris Draper, the U.S. Special Envoy to the Middle East at the time, said that U.S. officials were horrified when told Sharon had allowed Phalange militias into West Beirut and the camps “because it would be a massacre.” He told the BBC that after the killings began he cabled Defense Minister Sharon, telling him, “You must stop the slaughter…. The situation is absolutely appalling. They are killing children. You have the field completely under your control and are therefore responsible for that area.”
Lebanese israel-backed anti-Palestinian Fascists which were pointed to the camp by israel, armed with weapons. The IDF knew very well they would commit that massacare, the IDF which surrounded the camp made sure to defend the Phalangist militias while they commited their massacare.
The Kahan Commission (named after the President of the Israeli Supreme Court) that investigated the massacre in 1983 concluded that “Minister of Defense [Sharon] bears personal responsibility” and should “draw the appropriate personal conclusions arising out of the defects revealed with regard to the manner in which he discharged the duties of his office.” The commission recommended that Prime Minister Menachem Begin remove Sharon from office if he did not resign. Sharon did resign as minister of defense, though he subsequently assumed other cabinet positions. Annexes of the commission report have not yet been made public, and it is not known if they contain additional information specific to Sharon´s involvement.
By all accounts, the perpetrators of this indiscriminate slaughter were members of the Phalange (or Kata´eb, in Arabic) militia, a Lebanese force that was armed by and closely allied to Israel since the outbreak of Lebanon´s civil war in 1975. It must be noted, however, that the killings were carried out in an area under IDF control. An IDF forward command post was situated on the roof of a multi-story building located some 200 meters southwest of the Shatilla camp.
I guess these people can’t read either because if it’s israels responsibility that sure sounds like israel did it.
Maybe you can send the Human Rights Watch a message to correct them. Be sure to link your wikipedia quote.
Remember the beginning of Black Hawk Down when the warlord’s men machine gun the people trying to get bags of grain? And the Black Hawk crew couldn’t engage?
Yeah, it’s like that, except we’re paying the warlord’s army this time.
We told you you shouldn’t use those bullets on civilians. Here, have some more. But this time no civilian casualties, ok? You’ve done it again, haven’t you? Here, have some bombs.
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