RampantParanoia2365,

Sure. Trump and his dad, Satan.

Haus,
@Haus@kbin.social avatar

Clinton/Trump, for one. Although there are literally billions of answers.

gAlienLifeform,
@gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world avatar

Every time Biden says or does something stupid, I try to take a moment to appreciate that at least we didn’t get Michael Bloomberg instead

xmunk,

Orban/Putin/Xi - with Xi threatening to split the authoritarian vote and be a king maker.

Ekybio,
@Ekybio@lemmy.world avatar

Biden: Kinda meh

Eppstein-Friend Trump: Hitler 2.0

Its not a choice, but more a test for basic cognitive function. One which republicans routinely fail.

Hominine,
@Hominine@lemmy.world avatar

a test for basic cognitive function

Can we get one shipped to OP?

return2ozma,
@return2ozma@lemmy.world avatar

Personal attacks now?

Hominine,
@Hominine@lemmy.world avatar

If you want to come into this space only to objectively and repeatedly play the fool, I’m more than glad to call it out.

return2ozma,
@return2ozma@lemmy.world avatar

¯_(ツ)_/¯

mozz, (edited )
@mozz@mbin.grits.dev avatar

Not to take away from your point or distract from how bad Trump is -- but Biden is not even kinda meh; he's actually affirmatively been doing a great job. Funny story, I actually didn't realize how much good stuff he'd been doing until I started arguing with shills on Lemmy who were bashing him left and right with clever little engineered talking points. Here's some of what Biden's done:

  • He took the biggest action on climate change in US history; the goal of the climate bill is to put us on track for a 40% reduction in US emissions by 2030. It's way too late but that's clearly not Biden's fault since he started fighting for it basically as soon as he got into office, and managed to achieve passed legislation which is several standard deviations above the norm for "let's ignore it until we're underwater and on fire" US politician status quo.
  • He ordered the forgiveness of half a trillion dollars in student debt, about a third of the current total balance, and the Supreme Court told him no. He's still managed to forgive $138 billion worth of it even against stiff Republican "no we need that money to give to Wall Street criminals pls" resistance.
  • He introduced a bill to legalize marijuana federally, which the Republicans killed in the senate.
  • He achieved the lowest unemployment in 20 years after having been handed an economy that was still digging out from the apocalypse that was 2020.
  • After having spent several months engaged in absolutely war-criminal support for Israel's genocide in Gaza, he's now put sanctions on Israeli settlers for the first time in history, is putting the US military on the ground in Gaza after having publicly clashed with Netanyahu about the war, and is directly feeding starving Gazans. Does that mean a real reversal of the worst piece of the US's has-some-pretty-fucking-bad-pieces longstanding foreign policy? Er... fuck. Maybe. I don't know. Let's see. But he's showing some little stumbling signs of humanity as regards our Israel policy, which is un heard of for a US politician.

Did you know all that shit? I didn't. As recently as a few weeks ago I was describing him as "center-right" simply because he's a popular Democrat, but I think he might actually be kinda good. Which for a president is vanishingly rare.

So, yes, I think there could be two worse options. Not than Trump, Trump is the end of the world in human skin. But yes I think pretty much any presidential candidate since Al Gore would be a worse option than Biden.

Hey OP: Want to continue the conversation about Biden's marijuana policy? You said Biden could fix it all if he just would take action, and I asked what precise step you were asking him to do (beyond a federal legalization bill, pardons for federal prisoners, and asking the DEA to reschedule it), and then you fell silent instead of taking the chance to explain your position more. (As these accounts tend to do)

return2ozma,
@return2ozma@lemmy.world avatar

Busted out the bullet points lol Are you sure you don’t work for the DNC or one of their PACs? Is that you David Brock? Correct The Record?

I still find it hilarious you think I’m some Russian asset. God forbid somebody wants to hold their politicians feet to the fire. You’re literally supporting genocide in Gaza if you continue to support Biden.

mozz,
@mozz@mbin.grits.dev avatar

That's a funny way of saying "Boo analysis of the facts, yay short quippy disinformation, and no I don't want to revisit what I was saying about his marijuana policy"

return2ozma,
@return2ozma@lemmy.world avatar

You didn’t answer the question. Do you work for the DNC or one of their PACs?

mozz, (edited )
@mozz@mbin.grits.dev avatar

I do not. I didn't even really like Biden until y'all started throwing shade at him that was clearly not accurate, and I had to read up on what he's been doing in order to respond to it.

return2ozma,
@return2ozma@lemmy.world avatar

Great! Continue doing what you’re doing then. We’ve got a long way until November. I’ll keep you busy. :-D

dugmeup,

Stop

Being

An

Angry

Dickhead

return2ozma,
@return2ozma@lemmy.world avatar

We should all be angry right now.

Semi-Hemi-Demigod,
@Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

Angry is a lot of work and bad for my health.

TransplantedSconie,

Huh.

No where in his reply to you did he say you were a Russian asset. You said that. I find that fascinating.

return2ozma,
@return2ozma@lemmy.world avatar

They follow me around and comment on a lot of my posts. It’s an ongoing thing.

mozz,
@mozz@mbin.grits.dev avatar

I actually usually don't realize it's your stuff until after I've gotten irritated by it -- there is a clear pattern of me saying something on your posts, but that's because your posts have a clear pattern of being dishonest in a particular way that pisses me off and makes me want to say something about it, not anything personal to you on my side.

mozz,
@mozz@mbin.grits.dev avatar

I've accused this user in the past of being dishonest about their motivation in the stuff they post. They say they're a far-left person who's trying to post these things to create good things for the left in America, but the majority of what they post is just a clear pattern of dishonest borderline-propaganda about Biden several times a day every single day. Something like "Biden's conduct wrt Israel is unforgivable" I could understand and in some cases find some common ground of agreement with, definitely wouldn't lead me to accuse that person of being a shill, but instead of that it's "Biden is deliberately betraying people who voted for him in 2020 by doing (things he objectively didn't do) and we can't make the same mistake again," combined with no interest in talking about whether he actually did or didn't do whatever thing he objectively didn't do.

So, I don't think I specifically said they were a Russian troll specifically, but I definitely accused them of being a shill.

Uranium3006,
@Uranium3006@kbin.social avatar

Indeed. We were told to "hold our nose and vote for Biden and then push him left in office" and then we get shat on for doing exactly that.

return2ozma,
@return2ozma@lemmy.world avatar

Hillary lost, “it’s your fault!”

Biden wins, “we didn’t need you!”

2024, “if we get Trump it’s your fault!”

As a leftist, It’s exhausting.

Uranium3006,
@Uranium3006@kbin.social avatar

The solution is to tell them to go fuck themselves and build power outside of the electoral system because we might be waging war aginst fascism throught no fault our own

Semi-Hemi-Demigod,
@Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

I know all that stuff and I still don't wanna vote for him. I will, don't worry. But he's still pretty far to the right of me politically.

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