Iran offers no response to Damascus strike if US secures Gaza ceasefire - report

Iran informed the US that it would refrain from responding to the airstrike in which senior Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) commanders were killed in Damascus if a ceasefire in Gaza is reached, Jadeh Iran reported on Sunday.

The news outlet cited an anonymous Arab diplomatic source, saying the source spoke to the news outlet two days ago. The source added that “If America succeeds in containing the situation, it will be a great success for the Biden administration and we can build on that.”

BilboBargains,

Iranian diplomacy operates along the lines of a Jinn. Every move feels like a Faustian bargain. You ask the Jinn for a giant penis and it gives you a giant penis attached to your head, then disappears in a puff of smoke.

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Like that time they had a nuclear deal with America and then Trump ripped it up?

BilboBargains,

The Americans are the sinister and mendacious psychopaths of international diplomacy. It’s much less nuanced and not very interesting.

FaizalR,

Interesting move by Iran if true.

mindlight,

Shame on Iran for using the Palestinians as a pawn once again.

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

What? They are using their leverage to save the Palestinians.

mindlight, (edited )

The issue is about Iran promising retaliation, something Israel had in their calculations long before executing the strike on Iran in Damascus.

Israel has historically shown that they are more than capable of striking targets inside Iran. Iran knows exactly this and this is the reason for them using the Palestinians as a shield to avoid an escalation.

Ask yourself, was the offer time limited? If not, then there is actually nothing stopping the suffering of the Palestinian people in the “offer” from Iran.

So, what aces up the sleeve does Iran have here? What leverage do you speak of?

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Iran is now “using Palestinians as a human shields”? What am I even reading here? Israel is trying to escalate their Genocide to a regional war.

Iran is trying to stop israel committing Genocide and not start World War 3. A very peaceful and responsible response to israel bombing the Iranian embassy.

If you believe that Iran doesn’t have the means to attack Israel you’re a tad short on info. We have already seen the Iron Dome is a massive failure against mass missile attacks, even Hamas owned it with pipe rockets. And Iran has far more than that.

mindlight,

Ok, you avoided my question so let me ask again: What is the leverage Iran has that you speak of?

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Israel has committed a terror attack on the Iranian embassy which is a massive violation of international law. Iran has the right to defend itself which is the leverage.

However Iran is generously presenting an option where instead of a war with massive casualties, there will be no casualties and the Genocide stops. A win win for everyone except the Genocidal Nazis in israel.

theacharnian,
@theacharnian@lemmy.ca avatar

Excellent point. In our struggle against Iran it is very important to deny them this tactic. Which is why Israel should immediately stop massacring, occupying, oppressing, and ethnically cleansing the Palestinians. A free independent Palestine will definitely strip Iran of a lot of leverage in the region. To politically destroy and defeat the Iranian regime, let us all unite in proclaiming Free Palestine!

zerog_bandit,

Super great for Iran if this happens, super awful for the hostages being raped to death in Gaza.

Shyfer,

One, there’s been no proof of rape happening by them (although there’s probably some sexual assault and harassment, which is obviously terrible. I condemn Hamas, etc.). Two, you think they have a higher chance of getting the hostages back if they continue this indiscriminate bombing campaign over actual negotiation? There’s a reason families of the hostages have been protesting Netanyahu. He doesn’t give a shit about the hostages. He’d rather they all die than have an extended ceasefire.

theodewere,
@theodewere@kbin.social avatar

rolling over and asking to be scratched like a good dog.. all thanks to Joe Biden..

wurzelgummidge,

It’s just a shame it took him six months, and only then because of the very real threat of him losing in November

theodewere,
@theodewere@kbin.social avatar

that's how an ignorant, selfish ass sees it.. that's how a little baby sees it..

NoIWontPickAName,

So we are just accepting that Biden could have stopped this months ago and decided to keep being against it so much that we had to drag him to this point?

Fuck that!

Just like the people who seem to think that we should just forgive Israel for everything they have done just because they finally fucked up so bad.

Never forget that they could have stopped this earlier and they didn’t

theodewere,
@theodewere@kbin.social avatar

they could have washed my fucking car, too

NoIWontPickAName,

Exactly! So if they decide to remember that they could have earlier and chose not to!

Only one had bigger stakes than the other, you have a dirty car because of him, 30,000 people don’t have lives because of him

theodewere,
@theodewere@kbin.social avatar

no i know you would have done it all differently and with absolutely no cost to anyone.. good job buddy..

NoIWontPickAName,

OK, you have fun with your excuses

theodewere,
@theodewere@kbin.social avatar

you keep screaming like a little baby while your Daddy Joe spanks your ass

NoIWontPickAName,

Womp womp.

That’s the language of your people right?

wintermute_oregon,

Well the ball is in biden’s court

Immersive_Matthew,

Does Biden have the power to stop supporting the war? Like will any action be null and void due to the USA political structure or does he in fact have some sort of power that can stop all support by a stroke of the pen?

wintermute_oregon, (edited )

He can stop the weapon supply which would slow Israel.

I support Israel but it’s time to wrap this up. This has gone on to long.

kobra,

Could he though? I’m legit asking, because I feel like the senate could prevent him from stopping all aid?

Regardless the only person that can make the cease fire happen is Netanyahu.

wintermute_oregon,

Yes, that’s why the democrats are asking him to do it.

agelord,

You support genocide?

juicy,

Love you some settler-colonial apartheid do ya?

Linkerbaan, (edited )
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Yes Biden can stop it with one phone call. All he has to do is admit Israel is committing war crimes and it becomes illegal for the US to supply them with weapons.

TheFonz,

The US can stop all arms selling this instant and it wouldn’t change a thing. Israel already has enough weapons now to wipe out the whole region.

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

They do not that is a fairy tale. Israel is incredibly weak without American bombs. they will run out in weeks.

“Munitions, munitions, and munitions”: Israel’s Netanyahu wants steady supply of more U.S. bombs

“We need three things from the US: munitions, munitions, and munitions,” Netanyahu said during a meeting with local government officials, per a recording obtained by the Israel Hayom newspaper, which Doha News could not verify, and quoted by the Financial Times.

TheFonz, (edited )

One statement by a politician does not facts make. Lemmy users have a boner for quote sniping to make arguments. I promise you Israel has enough capital to just go down to the next shop and buy what they need. And this is coming from someone that is disgusted with the IDF. Do not attribute to me a position I do not hold. I hope you’re right, Linkerbaan, but everything else I’ve heard has told me otherwise.

Israel has bought enough weapons to make the whole region into glass:

lemmy.world/comment/9198378

You don’t agree? Show me where I’m mistaken. I don’t like this fact either, but it’s a fact. It sucks. It’s awful. But it’s reality. If you want to have a conversation, start with reality. Or downvote. That works too.

TheFonz,

Y’all need to work on your research and media literacy. The information is out there.

Stockpile nuclear warheads: en.m.wikipedia.org/…/Nuclear_weapons_and_Israel#:….

Germany is the next exporter of arms to Israel, so if all US sales stopped tomorrow you’d have to bring the next countries on board:reuters.com/…/rights-lawyers-go-court-stop-german….

These purchases have already occured: www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-03/…/103653536

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Iran has enough conventional bombs to flatten Israel as well and there’s nothing Israel can do to stop it. Launching nukes is beyond stupid.

Germany certainly isn’t able to supply Israel with F35 parts and bombs if America blocks it.

TheFonz,

Linkerbaan,

Yo do this a lot but I don’t think it’s intentional. You play these word games of seeing the forest for the trees because you’re so entrenched in your position nothing will change your mind (or maybe it’s a language thing? Is English a 2nd language? I mean this candidly and not intended to offend). Here is an example:

I say something like “there on the hill are some trees.”

and you go: "No, that’s a forest. "

Then I say: “Yes, but there are trees in the forest.”

And then you reply: “Nop. It’s a forest”.

What exactly is being discussed here? does Israel have enough artillery to defend itself against ww3 or does it have enough artillery to wipe out Gaza and turn the whole peninsula into glass? Can you repeat back my initial point?

Zipitydew,

It’s definitely intentional. That account gives some plausibility to horseshoe theory.

TheFonz,

I have the same exchange with this person every time:

Me: water is wet.

Linkerbaan: well no, beer is not water.

Me: water is H20, and it’s also wet. Here are some sources.

Linkerbaan: also, vodka is not water and it’s made from grain. Here is a quote by a dude that says that vodka is made from grain.

Me: …

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Your quote

The US can stop all arms selling this instant and it wouldn’t change a thing.

Me: Proves you are completely wrong

“Munitions, munitions, and munitions”: Israel’s Netanyahu wants steady supply of more U.S. bombs

“We need three things from the US: munitions, munitions, and munitions,” Netanyahu said during a meeting with local government officials, per a recording obtained by the Israel Hayom newspaper, which Doha News could not verify, and quoted by the Financial Times.

You:

Move the goalpost and then accuse others of doing that

IDF projection and lying doesn’t work on actual non israelis sadly. Especially when anyone can scroll up and read the conversation.

TheFonz,

Two points.

1

Let me get this straight: one off quotes from politicians are what counts for your standard evidence? Is that right? I want to hear you admit this is your standard of evidence.

Quotes from politicians are proof

Because if this is your de facto standard for evidence, which by the way in absolute no way negates what I said. This is all you’ve provided. A statement by Netanyahu.

Can you also point out which goal posts specifically was moved?

2

Does Netanyahu’s request for munitions negate what arsenal they already have?

This is simple English. Address my points please.

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Isn’t it funny how the Prime Minister of israel gets reduced to “a politician”. When proof gets linked you just move the goalpost. “Netanyahu, who’s that even? He’s not important”.

TheFonz, (edited )

Fine. The prime minister of Israel: Benjamin Netanyahu (the most important person in Israel). Let me hear you say it:

A statement of the prime minister is the minimal standard of evidence required for proof.

Which goal post was moved? I don’t think you know what that means.

In order to move your goal post I have to first accept your evidence and pivot to a new point. I did not accept your evidence. We are still at step 1.

nkat2112,
@nkat2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

There are countless good reasons for a ceasefire in Gaza. None for otherwise.

locke,

None for otherwise.

A ceasefire may allow Hamas to regroup and survive, which would be a bad thing. Then again, from my couch it seems like IDF is not about to destroy Hamas completely with this war.

ModernRisk, (edited )
@ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

You know what would be a bad thing? Letting Israel government and their IDF have their way and keep murdering more and more innocent people. A ceasefire is definitely needed.

They (Israel government) currently have murdered around 33 000 – 35 000 Palestinian people already. Hamas is a literal creation by Israel, Israel has done so much horrifying things from 1948 up to 1987 that a group of normal people made Hamas and become violent.

Want Hamas to stop existing? Then let Israel stop their ethnic cleansing, genocide and at least give half of the land back (that was and stays Palestinian land).

An occupier cannot become its owner.

mosiacmango, (edited )

35k known dead. Expect 2-5x once they clear the rubble and can take actual tallies.

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Hamas is bigger than ever right now. This was foretold 6 months ago before israel started slaughtering civilians. It is reality now

Squizzy,

The only way for this not to be the case so far has been to murder thousands of children.

Call me old fashioned but maybe we should take the chance and not murder innocent children.

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