The missiles that could give US ally the edge over China

The Philippines, a U.S. ally, has hailed as a “game-changer” the delivery of new supersonic missiles that it believes will significantly beef up its coastal defenses amid rising tensions with China.

The first batch of https://www.newsweek.com/us-ally-philippines-india-brahmos-missile-china-south-china-sea-coastal-defense-1864678, ordered from India two years ago, arrived at Clark International Airport north of Manila on Friday. It was handed over to the Philippine marines to be deployed at an as yet undisclosed location within the country’s archipelagic territory.

The high-profile arms transfer comes in the middle of the simmering Philippines-China dispute in the contested Spratly Islands archipelago of the South China Sea, where the Chinese and Philippines coast guards have clashed over territorial features claimed by both sides.

theyoyomaster,

“The missile were delivered on the back of an Indian air force Boeing C-17 Globemaster III, images showed“

…right below a picture of them being downloaded from an IL-76.

mlg,
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Not to discredit BrahMos but its not a very fast missile compared to hypersonics. KInd of wish Pakistan had attempted to shoot the one that went awry to see if they could actually intercept it since it goes mach 3.

Also will be funny to see how the US actually reacts since BrahMos is half russian lol. They definitely didn’t like Turkey using russian made weapons.

theyoyomaster,

Just because hypersonic are reported on frequently as a catchy headline doesn’t mean they are functional weapons that any given country could go out and buy on the open market. They are very much in the test/development stage and only in reach for the top global super powers. No, it’s not as fast as the vaporwave buzzwords and if we’re doing our procurement from the ACE Combat DLC marketplace then sure, but for context, the US still relies primarily on the Tomahawk which flies at M.74, the same as a C-17. This absolutely is a high speed cruise missile.

Maggoty,

The difference is usually in the purpose. Right now high speed missiles are great at interception. While slower missiles are better at target striking. This is because it’s really hard to go fast enough to not get hit in the terminal stage. It either has to follow a predictable trajectory or slow down to maneuver. So the US chooses missiles that fly low, follow terrain, and do crazy maneuvers in the terminal stage.

theyoyomaster,

Yeah, but to say a Mach 3 cruise missile isn’t high speed because it isn’t hypersonic is missing the point.

Maggoty,

Yeah, yeah that’s certainly true.

Maggoty,

It’s not about the weapons themselves. It was that Turkey wanted the 100% Russian systems and the F-35. The US understandably does not want anyone able to train Russian anti air defense on the F-35’s signature.

wurzelgummidge,

The Philippines Marcos family, a U.S. ally,

Fixed it for them

assassinatedbyCIA,

I don’t want war with China.

JeeBaiChow,

Meanwhile the rest of us don’t like bullies either.

werefreeatlast,

But take some Bra…Mos. c’mon you’ll love it!

nova_ad_vitum,

Nobody else does either.

CosmicCleric, (edited )
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The Philippines, a U.S. ally, has hailed as a “game-changer” the delivery of new supersonic missiles

Feeling bad for Ukraine just about now.

https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/legalcode.en

DragonTypeWyvern,

They’re Indian, if you’d read the article.

Nothing against Indian missile technology, it’s just a fluff piece for the MIC.

CosmicCleric, (edited )
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They’re Indian, if you’d read the article.

I read it.

Nothing against Indian missile technology, it’s just a fluff piece for the MIC.

I was just talking at the meta level of one country being able to get missiles, where another country couldn’t.

https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/legalcode.en

DragonTypeWyvern,

reuters.com/…/us-house-vote-long-awaited-95-billi…

CosmicCleric, (edited )
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reuters.com/…/us-house-vote-long-awaited-95-billi…

I’m aware, but also, that link is old, the US Senate has already passed the bill as well.

Again, I’m speaking towards the meta, of Ukraine always having a beg and scratch and scramble to get weapons, where for other countries it just seems to land in their laps.

A lot of Ukrainians died while they waited for the US Congress to get their act together the past those bills, it was very problematic to get it done.

https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/legalcode.en

DragonTypeWyvern,

Right, but this is the Philippines just buying some missiles so Marcos Jr can act tough, like their one squadron of fighters and some dudes with rifles won’t just be begging the US Navy to keep the scary Chinese away. If Ukraine had cash in hand I have no doubt they could have found some people to sell them some missiles of dubious value.

I understand what you’re saying, I just don’t think it’s that worth getting worked up over for a fluff piece.

At least now that the military aid is going strong again.

CosmicCleric, (edited )
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I understand what you’re saying, I just don’t think it’s that worth getting worked up over for a fluff piece.

I’m not worked up over it (nice attempt to ‘Kill the Messenger’ with an ‘emo’ accusation bullet by the way), I’m just seeing the irony of one nation needing missiles and not getting them, versus another nation that doesn’t need the missiles and getting them.

One is at war, the other one is just preparing for a potential future war. The triage decision on this one is self evident.

https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/legalcode.en

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