afraid_of_zombies,

Do it, be hilarious. An African country threatening to arrest a US president. Please please do this.

noisefree,

Setting aside (but stating) my stance that Israel’s policy of collective punishment against innocent Palestinian civilians is completely wrong and thus unconditional support from the US government for Israeli actions is also wrong - South Africa isn’t a good faith actor here.

What was South Africa’s official position last summer, as a signatory to the Rome Statute that established the ICC and thus a nation obligated to arrest those with an ICC arrest warrant that step foot in their territory, about honoring their obligation to execute an arrest on the ICC warrant issued for Putin for war crimes should he step foot in their territory? It almost seems like they’re trying to distract from something or are maybe working towards mutual goals with some other entity (or entities) behind the scenes… Hmm.

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

July 19, 2023 - South Africa says Putin will skip a Johannesburg summit next month because of his ICC arrest warrant

It ended months of speculation over whether Putin would travel to South Africa, which is a signatory to the Rome treaty that formed the International Criminal Court and therefore has the obligation to arrest the Russian leader if he sets foot on South African territory.

noisefree,

I’m aware of how it turned out, but, for the sake of clarity, I was speaking about a month prior to that outcome where the President of South Africa made it clear that he would now allow Putin to be arrested in the event that Putin chose to attend in person. Assuming his statements were straight forward, I even get the logical underpinnings of what he was saying here - it just seems an odd contrast for the SA government to turn around and champion the ICC months later. It’s hard to take a country that recently publicly pragmatized away the need to uphold the legitimacy of ICC authority seriously when they’re now using the ICC as a threat. Another country would be better to lead the charge here on behalf of the ICC.

FlowVoid,

South Africa also failed to arrest Omar Al Bashir, who is charged with genocide by the ICC.

It was very clear from the beginning that South Africa would not only be breaking international law by allowing Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir to fly out of a military base but would be going against its own courts.

mean_bean279,

So was South Africa aiding other war criminals and countries genociding a neighbor just like a total whoopsies that doesn’t apply to them too?

www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-66238766.amp

I get this is only from one minister, and I’m not going to really pay attention to it, but come on.

Moneo,

Whataboutism?

deadbeef79000,

No question.

rhythmisaprancer,
@rhythmisaprancer@moist.catsweat.com avatar

Yes, but what does it mean if the USA is not a participant of the ICC? FAFO? Maybe it needs to happen.

nogooduser,

It means as much as it does for Isreal who also doesn’t participate in the ICC.

Technically, any American who is convicted (I’d imagine it could be President Biden and Anthony Blinken who they would try to prosecute) cannot travel to ICC countries otherwise they’d be arrested.

Even if they were tried and convicted nobody would do anything about it.

Can you imagine the shit show that would ensue if someone tried to arrest the US President as he visits their country.

afraid_of_zombies,

Do it.

SuddenDownpour,

The official position of the US is that they would retaliate, possibly by attacking the country holding their officials prisoner.

en.wikipedia.org/…/American_Service-Members'_Prot…

This is because the US follows the ethical principle of “rules for thee, not for me”.

Sanctus,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

Fuck yeah we are

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