America had some questionable allies during WW2 too. The Allies were not as morally sound as we make them out to be, as the colonial era was in full force.
But coming together to fight Hitler did make things a little more black and white for a period of time.
Aren’t people sick of war? The last thing I would want is another war tearing my country apart. Lebanon has had terrible things happen to it in the past. Just…chill. Nothing good will come from war.
There is a very real chance that Biden’s unquestioning support of Israel will lead to WW3.
Bibi knows whatever happens, Biden will always have his back. He can’t get that loyalty from any other US president, he’s counting on every other country recognizing that, but with the way Israel is acting they all assume Israel won’t stop with their current victims.
It’s stand together now, or watch each other fall slowly.
You can stick your head in sand at the beach, but with climate change the tides may be unpredictable.
But I thought when I typed this:
It’s stand together now, or watch each other fall slowly
I thought it was clear I was talking about the countries unfortunate enough to share a border with a country ruled by a power hungry madman actively invading other countries.
With the way this is splitting, both sides are going to have at least one.
Geopolitically speaking, there’s no “good side” which I guess history is like when you’re unfortunate enough to live thru it.
By “stand together,” OP means “stand together while we watch them march the trans people into concentration camps and this war happens regardless after Trump wins because we refuse to vote for Biden.”
WW3? I highly doubt it. More just a continuation of the proxy wars from the Cold War.
But yes I agree the continued support is idiotic to say the least. BUT it's not just Biden, the felonious cheetoh said he'd support Israel too. The only criticism I can find from him is that Israel shouldn't be broadcasting all these images of war because its "Bad PR":
“I don’t know why they released wartime shots like that. I guess it makes them look tough. But to me, it doesn’t make them look tough,” Trump continued. “They’re losing the PR war. They’re losing it big. But they’ve got to finish what they started, and they’ve got to finish it fast, and we have to get on with life.” https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/04/trump-israel-gaza-war-00150577
Its a lose/lose scenario with Israel imo; Bibi is literally Hitler 2.0, and honestly the only way to deal with fascist, nazi fucks like him and Putin is to put a bullet in their head, or be prepared to watch the human toll to be paid by their neighbors and citizens.
Hezbollah and Russia have a defense treaty with some others like Iraq and Iran. Russia and NK just signed one.
Russia is losing in Ukraine, and none of the countries next to Israel can stand against a US backed Israel.
WW2 was because some minor dude got shot and treaties pulled everyone in. What’s going on now could definitely make WW3 pop off, it doesn’t take much historically
Okay, but that’s all of history. One thing leads to another. The problem is, you can’t say what would have happened if things went differently.
Would there have been no Nazi party if World War I never happened? Was Hitler’s rise to power in part due to his experiences in World War I and the economic crisis Germany was put in due, in part, to World War I? We have no way of knowing.
Maybe if Victoria and Albert hadn’t married, World War I would still have happened, but been even worse because there would have been even greater enmity between the British and the Germans. We can’t know. The best we can do is write speculative fiction.
Good thing I wasn’t grabbing all of history in my statement then, just 2 plot points.
When I was literally discussing those two plot points?
I’ll paste what I said again. Maybe you’ll have a legitimate response to it?
Would there have been no Nazi party if World War I never happened? Was Hitler’s rise to power in part due to his experiences in World War I and the economic crisis Germany was put in due, in part, to World War I? We have no way of knowing.
Maybe if Victoria and Albert hadn’t married, World War I would still have happened, but been even worse because there would have been even greater enmity between the British and the Germans. We can’t know. The best we can do is write speculative fiction.
Because you said that’s “all of history”, it’s not like I’m trying to link Christopher Columbus to 9/11 here. I even stated the dude mixed the wars up in another comment thread.
“Give a fuck” and stop spreading right wing propaganda, you’re doing your best to create complacency trying to paint a picture that Joe Biden is some awful president. He’s not, and he is the only choice you have if you actually “give a fuck” about WW3 or Palestine or anything else
Biden is not the nominee yet and there is still time to run someone who not only has a better shot at beating trump. But would be better in office as well.
The DNC are the ones who set that date, they choose when someone becomes the nominee. If you think they should have set it earlier, remember Biden appointed Jamie Harrison to run it.
Pedantry is unbecoming. He will be the nominee, and he will be your only choice, if you actually give a fuck. Which you don’t, you’re more interested in spreading right wing propaganda about how “bad” Joe Biden is
Jesus man, if you really think the DNC will replace their incumbent president with a different nominee, you’re living in a fantasy world. Doesn’t matter how much you think they should, they won’t.
I disagree with your entire premise, and your approach. Sitting around bitching about Biden won’t get you a different candidate, and you’re spreading Republican propaganda.
I listed all the steps next to numbers so you could easily identify what you needed help with.
It’s starting to feel like you’re not being honest about why you feel like Biden has to be the nominee. Like there’s one position Biden holds and if we ran a candidate Dem voters want, the popular candidate likely wouldn’t hold that specific opinion.
I honestly thought I could help, but I don’t think there’s a way if you’re not being honest.
By all logic, we would be on the same page right now if all you wanted was to beat trump.
I’m realistic, you’re living in a fantasy world because you think bitching about Joe is going to influence the DNC. News alert, they don’t give a fuck about you or what you think.
News alert, they don’t give a fuck about you or what you think.
That’s not news…
Biden appointed Jamie Harrison as head of the DNC.
The DNC took away NH’ s primary delegates because they keep voting progressive.
It’s blatantly obvious the DNC and Biden dont care what voters want and despite what they say are not doing all they can to prevent trump. That’s literally what you called me an idiot for and started this whole long chain …
I legitimately don’t understand why you’re upset at me for any of this unless you’re not being honest about why you want Biden and not a candidate more likely to beat Trump.
Why are you, Biden. And the DNC willing to risk trump?
Biden isn’t the “official nominee” yet but under DNC rules, the pledged delegates are essentially required to vote for the candidate their state selected in the first round. Only if no one has the required 1,968 pledged delegates in the first round does it go to a second round. At that point, 739 Superdelegates — party officials, basically — are allowed to vote and pledged delegates can switch to another candidate.
Biden currently has 3,894 pledged delegates. Second is Dean Phillips with 4. So, you’d basically have to convince thousands of Biden loyalists to change the party rules so they could vote for another candidate. And then, in the potential second round, convince the Superdelegates to also reject Biden.
That won’t happen unless he’s literally dead or incapacitated. Both primaries are over and the nominating conventions are a formality. It’d probably be easier to convince the electoral college to vote against the candidate that specifically chose them for their loyalty.
I do think he believes he’s the best shot against Trump. He’s a politician. Basically every elected official in DC or a governor’s mansion thinks they’d be the best presidential candidate ever. Plus, he already beat Trump once and (according to 538’s polling average) is slightly ahead nationally.
I didn’t support Biden in the 2020 primary and I’m not thrilled with a replay of 2020 but with everyone even older. But at this stage, Biden might be the best candidate. If he did step aside, the convention could easily divide the party and be a total disaster. Do they go with Kamala? A popular governor like Gavin Newsome or Gretchen Whitmer? Could the candidate even put together a campaign staff and raise the necessary cash in time to be a good candidate? They’re already booking TV ad time for September.
I mean, I don’t have an answer to those questions. Maybe voters would be like, “Thank god, someone under 75.” and it’d be a landslide. But it could just as easily be total chaos.
I’m asking if you believe no other president would support Israel more than Biden. US president? I don’t believe that. Israel doesn’t believe that. You might. There’s a lot of potential presidents in America.
I’m asking if you believe no other president would support Israel more than Biden
Exactly.
Pretty much every other president from either party has had to put Israel in place at least once during their time in office.
trump is corrupt enough to support anything, but he’s unreliable. If you need him his price keeps going up till you can’t afford him. No one can rely on trump, I feel like I won’t get push ack on that.
There’s a lot of potential presidents in America.
We’re not talking potential, we’re talking actual US Presidents, there’s a finate number of them…
Look, I am just as anti-Trump as the rest of the sane voters but your arguments don’t do you or the Dems any favours whatsoever.
Biden is the one responsible for thousands of deaths in Gaza. He said he’s a self proclaimed Zionist, effectively saying that he supports the Israeli war on a personal level.
OP was right. Biden has been allowing this to go on and without US’ support, this would have ended long ago. And not only denying that what’s going on in Gaza isn’t a genocide, but flat out rejecting that there’s no famine, even when you’re able to count the ribs of children is pathetic.
So what was the solution? Biden should’ve said he won’t run for another term. It’s too late for that now and Dems may pay the price.
Biden really is going senile and he really isn’t fit to lead another 4 years. Yes, you absolutely can’t have Trump return, unless you want the US to become an autocratic dictatorship and spark a civil war, but letting Biden run with this much baggage is suicide. I’d be happy if Dems win, but let’s wake up and stop kidding ourselves. We should not be surprised if Trump wins. The Dems have never been this fragmented and we needed everyone to come together last time to beat Trump (and even then it wasn’t a landslide!)
If your best argument for Biden is that we can’t have Trump, then you’re just ignoring everyone else’s concerns about a guy who has presided over, and actively and consciously encouraged a genocide. It’s not enough this time to simply avoid Trump.
US bombs are constantly found among the corpses of women and children sheltering in tents. If Biden isn’t responsible then you’re as deluded as they come.
Also, I’m not “ignoring everyone else’s concerns”, I’m ignoring your concerns. Some random dude on the internet
I’ve realised I’m talking to a literal child. Grow up and take this seriously. I’m talking about the citizens of Gaza who are suffering here as a result of Biden’s insistence on supporting this war. I’m not interested in exchanging one liners with an internet goblin.
Just because one side is disadvantaged and losing doesn’t mean they deserve your support. Those women and children are dying because Hamas is sheltering among them. If you really want the carnage to stop, you should be pushing for Hamas’ complete surrender and the return of hostages. Otherwise, Israel is just going to keep killing. Is it sad? Is it unjust? Sure, I’d agree with you there. But it’s also a war, and people die in wars. How many German civilians were killed by American/British bomb raids in 1945? How many Japanese civilians were killed when atomic bombs were dropped on them? Unfortunately, war is messy and lots of people die
Between 300,000–600,000 German civilians and over 200,000 Japanese civilians were killed by allied bombing during the Second World War, most as a result of raids intentionally targeted against civilians themselves.
I’m saying if Israel didn’t have unconditional support from America, they wouldn’t be causing so much drama.
They’re the bully that picks on kids when the teacher is in the room, knowing the teacher will always take their side.
Biden is the teacher letting it happen.
Except in this scenario the bullying is a fucking genocide.
And you’re blaming another kid for standing up to the bully, and can’t figure out why the teachers actions are a problem. Is it Biden’s fault Israel is a bully? No, but it’s his fault the bully gets to do whatever they want, and is acting like it
I’m sorry I can’t explain this in a way you can understand, but I don’t think I’m the real issue here. If you won’t read what I typed and ask about what you can’t understand I can’t help you.
then you’re being intentionally dumb or are just dumb.
Biden is not the only president who would support Bibi, that’s literally the dumbest take when you can see the entire rest of the government basically on this side. Then the other candidate has made his support abundantly clear.
So what the fuck are you talking about? Nonsense. Stupidity. Foolish. Or fraud as hell trying to dissuade people from voting Biden which is what this entire thread of Genocide Joe talk is.
So no. Not random, literally your words that are the core of this fraud you are trying to push.
Any single country could step in. Every US politician is bought. Bibi wants Trump elected, any anti-Biden bs about Israel is just pro-Trump bs playing straight into the playbook bozo
Of course it is. Israel is constantly bombing Lebanon and the only reason they are so confident in bullying Lebanon is Big Brother Biden is standing behind them. Not to mention the planes and the bombs being American.
Pretty sure every US president since Israel was invented has had to check Israel at some point.
Explain why you’re sure of this. American support for Israel is constant and extremely well entrenched. Every time the Israel PM shows up to Congress it turns into a contest to see who can suck his dick The most. The administration doesn’t matter. American support for Israel ranges from absolute material support with absolute political support, to absolute material support and only lukewarm political support. In both cases material support is unaffected.
Instead, they said Biden has noted, Obama publicly admonished Israel’s actions and voiced concern for Palestinian civilian deaths early into the 2014 conflict. As a result, Biden has argued, Obama squandered any ability to influence the Israeli government as it invaded Gaza, said the people familiar with his comments.
Instead, they said Biden has noted, Obama publicly admonished Israel’s actions and voiced concern for Palestinian civilian deaths early into the 2014 conflict. As a result, Biden has argued, Obama squandered any ability to influence the Israeli government as it invaded Gaza, said the people familiar with his comments.
Now, I don’t want to find something for every president, and I already explained why trump is uniquely unreliable in pretty much every possible way.
You definitely didn’t. American support for Israel is so well entrenched that is has actual strategic depth. That includes ensuring that the political path of least resistance is to support Israel absolutely, so Trump does. It’s just easiest. All you’ve done is look at words with no actual action behind them . All material support has remained completely stable.
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