northmaple1984,

Looking at the ISG’s voting record will tell you all you need to know about Justin Trudeau’s transformation of the Senate.

ValueSubtracted,
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Go on…

northmaple1984,

In almost every circumstance the ISG votes the same way in the Senate Chamber as the Liberal MPs do in the House.

ValueSubtracted,
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I don’t think that’s necessarily surprising nor undesirable, especially since you had to say “almost.”

dlpkl,

The only change that matters is eliminating the Senate, or at least making them elected.

jadero,

In principle, I like the idea of having a check on Parliament. Not a block that can prevent things from happening, but something that can slow things down a bit when necessary and maybe cause Parliament to rethink what they’re up to or moderate their actions. In general, I think the Senate is reasonably effective at that.

In principle, I like the idea of some kind of regional representation. Not so much that the province with small populations can stand in the way of sound national policy, but enough to limit the exploitation of those provinces in favour of the ones with larger populations. I’m not sure that the Senate has been as effective in that regard as it could have been.

I really like the idea that no Senator can be an active member of any political party. They should all sit as independents. In fact, I would argue that no Senator should ever have been sitting member of Parliament, and maybe not even held party membership for at least a decade.

Finally, I would like to experiment with sortition (random selection instead of political appointments or elections) and a properly constrained, yet not powerless Senate seems like the perfect place to try it out.

ValueSubtracted,
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I think I’m with you more or less. I don’t mind an intelligent, appointed Senate that takes their work seriously and isn’t explicitly partisan. I’d also like to see the regional representation improved, and the term limits should probably be way shorter.

jadero,

Oh yes, the term limits should be reduced. But one thing I like about the appointment system (also easily managed under sortition) is that individual terms are just that, individual. That is, there isn’t a wholesale sweep of all sitting members at once, the way there is with Parliament.

I don’t know how something like that could be managed in a purely elected body and think it’s worth keeping. I suppose there wouldn’t really be a problem with having everyone elected via what we now call byelection.

That makes me wonder if party politics, campaigning, and electioneering would change if Parliamentary terms were individualized instead of globalized to the Parliament as a whole.

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