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Israel announces largest West Bank land seizure since 1993 during Blinken visit (www.washingtonpost.com)

Israel’s far-right finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich, announced the seizure of 10 square kilometers (3.8 square miles) of Palestinian territory in the West Bank on Friday. The move marks the single largest land seizure by the Israeli government since the 1993 Oslo accords, according to Peace Now, a settlement watchdog group....

NoneOfUrBusiness,

Adding to what the other guy said, I'm theorizing but it could be because they want Netanyahu to fail. Israel wants Republicans in office so they can stop pretending to pretend to follow international law.

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They don't, haven't since 1967. But that doesn't faze Israel because there are no real consequences.

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Molasses holocaust

This way of putting it is actually genius.

Russia and China Veto U.S.-Led Cease-Fire Resolution at U.N. (www.nytimes.com)

Edit: It looks like the argument here is that the US is not calling for an instant ceasefire, but instead saying that one is very important to have. China and Russia say it should be immediate. The US also tied it to hostage talks....

NoneOfUrBusiness,

An immediate temporary ceasefire.

NoneOfUrBusiness,

I think y'all are missing the elephant in the room here. This is a resolution that demands Hamas hand over all their hostages for a temporary ceasefire, with no mention of the 3000+ hostages Israel still holds.

My issue is that technically the only reason their bombing is because of the hostages and perhaps if they release the hostages peace talks can begin.

This might work somewhere else, but not with Israel. Hamas isn't good, but they're for better or worse one of the organizations with the most experience at negotiating with Israel and getting actual results (small as they may be). And Hamas knows there's no way in hell Israel would just quietly leave after being handed over all the Palestinian side's leverage when they've been very clear they want to re"settle" Gaza and rule it like (or worse than) they rule the West Bank.

BTW I'm relying on reporting so if anyone can find the whole thing please link it.

NoneOfUrBusiness,

Very much yes. The US's proposal was actually worse than nothing. There's a reason Hamas has been demanding a permanent ceasefire before they turn over any more hostages. There's also a reason Algeria voted no.

NoneOfUrBusiness,

That's some massive copium. Not that I'm a fan of China or Russia, but there's a reason Hamas has been rejecting temporary ceasefires.

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Honestly no. Bad representation is worse than no representation. This is an extreme example, but just look at Muslim representation in Western media. I mean just take the extremist terrorist Muslim, or the idea that Muslim women are oppressed and need to be "liberated" from their hijab.

Again this is an extreme example but this is what bad representation is; it reduces a group of people into a few stereotypical character traits. As a Muslim I'd rather Islam not be represented at all if this is what that representation will be.

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No? Muslims hate Jews because Zionists have been trying and succeeding in taking their homes for a hundred years. The Islamic position is and has always been "Jews hate you and will try to bring you down but no war crimes because they're people of the book".

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"Longer" will these idiots never learn? Hamas has been very clear about their demands.

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Exactly, and that was a disaster in every sense of the word. Which is why Hamas is refusing the current offer (not like Israel likes it very much either), because the promise that "we'll start with a temporary ceasefire and turn it into something more enduring" was made before in November and in the end Hamas lost half their hostages for a whole lot of nothing. Even a random guy watching from the sidelines like me can tell; even if the 6-week ceasefire succeeds and becomes permanent, it'll come at the cost of Israel occupying Gaza, or at least half of it, and that's assuming it succeeds and Israel doesn't continue doing their thing in six weeks.

PS: I don't remember when it was either, could've been December.

NoneOfUrBusiness,

That makes sense the other way around because Hamas only employs men as fighters, but the IDF is co-ed.

NoneOfUrBusiness,

I get the same feeling too. Like they're throwing a tantrum and expecting reality to bend to their wills (which has been Israel's modus operandi for the last... century?)

NoneOfUrBusiness,

Honestly I want someone to actually go to court on this (hopefully someone rich so they can afford the lawyers) because I really want the UK to officially acknowledge that Palestinians are second class citizens in Israel.

NoneOfUrBusiness,

This is after it turned out that Israel's accusation was a lie, as is usually the case. This man will go down in November and drag the rest of the world with him.

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Look, even if your logic held, even if these people were all Hamas fighters, this treatment of prisoners of war is a war crime and violation of the Geneva convention.

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It's sarcasm.

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Always have been.

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I mean I don't agree with him but he is sticking to his beliefs here. Something something turn the other cheek.

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This guy's paintings have about as much historical value as Hitler pictures and confederate general statues.

NoneOfUrBusiness,

This has the same energy as destroying confederate general statues. Good on them.

NoneOfUrBusiness,

Uh... Balfour definitely has something to do with Israel.

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By the time the port is constructed half of Gaza will be dead.

NoneOfUrBusiness,

Uh... A good number of Americans give two or three flying fucks about genocide. Israel is getting off lightly because they can call anyone who opposes them antisemitic, but historically ever since they finished their own Americans have been pretty intolerant of genocide. This especially applies to Muslim Americans who are taking this personally, and young progressives who are becoming disillusioned with the Democrats. Now remember that Biden needs both of these groups to have 2020 level Democrat turnout to win the election.

NoneOfUrBusiness,

To be "fair" Hamas is a grassroots organization. It exists because there's popular will for it to exist, not because of one person or a few people. This does mean the Israeli Orphanization force is doing anything to curb Hamas, but it's not like Hamas needs its leaders to exist.

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Only if Netanyahu and his ilk go with them.

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Is nobody going to mention how refusing a temporary ceasefire (aka being genocided again after 6 weeks) is apparently "hardline"?

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It's called a terrorist organization according to the US and its allies. Now they're not good, more like morally grey, but they're not any worse than the IDF. Also given that Hamas has agreed to a two-state solution before, I'm not sure what beliefs you're objecting to Palestinians having.

NoneOfUrBusiness,

Hamas doesn't recognize Israel, but has stated they'd accept a two-state solution with 1967 borders multiple times.

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It's a decision made for practical reasons, much like the PLO switching from armed to peaceful resistance and the Palestinian resistance movement as a whole switching from taking back all of Palestine to returning to 1967 borders. Hamas ideologically rejects Israel (for good reason) so they're not willing to recognize it, but denying the position they're in won't accomplish anything, hence their current position. You can think of them as a more self-aware IRA.

See also: The PLO taking back their recognition of Israel during the second Intifada despite not changing their goal of a two-state solution.

NoneOfUrBusiness, (edited )

Better than the "we will take everything and kill you" solution Israel is offering.

Either way when it comes to organizations like Hamas their official positions (even though in this case it should be at least acceptable as a start) don't really matter. There's a reason I compared them with the IRA; when the injustice fueling these sorts of organizations fades away they either adapt by becoming governments or political parties (as Hamas attempted to do in the 2006 election) or fade away ala the IRA.

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That ignores that Hamas is, messed up as it is, one of the few things preventing Israel from turning Gaza into a wasteland and then Lebensraum (which they're already doing, but you can probably imagine that it would be going a lot faster if there was nobody to resist). You take away however many of Hamas's numbers you can provably convict for war crimes (I'd wager the number is a lot less than most would expect, but that aside), and Palestinian resistance suffers greatly as a result. Israel takes the opportunity to oppress Palestinians even more, and those Palestinians are rightly convinced that the international community is an enemy just like Israel, only hiding behind a layer of hypocrisy that they call justice.

The only environment where war criminals in Hamas can be convicted is after Palestine has its own state, and with Israel in tow. Selective justice is oppression, not justice.

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Better nothing than worse than nothing. There's a reason the ICC is criticized as a neocolonialist tool for the West and the last thing anyone should be doing is prove that right.

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Yes, yet Israel is currently suffering hard due to the Houthis' actions. Seems effective.

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And that Palestine is literally next door. It might be considered yet another genocide in the West, but people care much more in the Middle East. There's a lot of popular will to do anything to fight Israel (the reason nobody's going to war over this is the aircraft carriers and other US pressure), geopolitics or no geopolitics.

NoneOfUrBusiness,

Nope, but Palestine is literally next door. Western people might not understand this, but people in the Middle East care a lot about the Israeli occupation and its injustice against Palestinians. They're regularly referred to as "our Palestinian brothers" for example, while Ukraine is a country most people here only know by name.

NoneOfUrBusiness,

Nah, better to just stop the genocide. Avoiding the Red Sea is a very expensive ordeal since it necessitates going around Africa.

NoneOfUrBusiness,

How does that have anything to do the current crisis? Also the whole "we don't negotiate with terrorists" thing is basically propaganda meant to make the US look good rather than an actual successful political strategy, setting aside the idea of who is and isn't a terrorist given that it seems to be "does the US like them? Yes/no". I'd sooner call Saudi Arabia, their puppet government and the US terrorists for their genocide from 2016 to 2022 among other things; there's a reason the US bombing weddings is a meme.

Also I'm not sure which part of the file you want me to read; I searched "war crimes" and didn't get anything.

NoneOfUrBusiness,

The Houthis only killed two civilian sailors since this whole mess started, which is two too many tbf but it's not like they're actively going over civilians here.

Canada, Sweden Restore UNRWA Funds as Report Accuses Israel of Torturing Agency Staff (www.commondreams.org)

The governments of Canada and Sweden have announced they will resume funding for the United Nation’s agency that provides humanitarian aide and protection to Palestinians living in Gaza and elsewhere—a move that other powerful nations, including Israel’s most powerful ally the United States, continue to refuse....

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Biden be like: What's wrong with torture we do it all the time.

NoneOfUrBusiness,

I very much don't think anybody will be shooting the people giving them food. I know Western people think of Hamas as like ISIS and Al Qaeda (both of which I would also assume wouldn't do this but for argument's sake), but their ideologies are too different.

NoneOfUrBusiness, (edited )

The problem is that by the time they build it half of Gaza will be dead. This isn't like the Bengali famine or the Holodomor where food just went down, these people aren't getting food at all. I think it should be obvious that the progress from infants to adults dying will be a lot faster.

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I was gonna say that's impossible, then remembered USS Liberty.

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