If I have to choose between a company that freely sells and uses all my data versus a company that e2e encrypts my data and only complies with police and intelligence agency if it is specifically mandated by a swiss judge (and are fighing against it[1]), my money is definitely on the later
Is it perfect? Probably not. - Does it match my thread model? Definitely yes!
Also their privacy policy [2] allows to make a pretty well informed decision and map it against your thread model
Have you tried a low-code database, such as nocodb? I tried satisfy my need for structures data that way and it works for simple usecases. There are formulas too, but they (like spreadsheets) require some knowledge to set up.
You sort of have one but not really. You can launch it from the Android Proton Drive app. Granted it then launches it into a web browser, but GrapheneOS/Vanadium seems to handle it well. Would also prefer an app, or allow me to use Standard Notes as the client and sync with my Proton account.
Ah you are right - I had created the Proton Doc on the web and launched it after from Android after. I did not actually create the file in Android. Just checked and the option is not there for me either. Maybe next update? Still would prefer the ability to use Standard Notes as the client, similar to how I can with SimpleLogin today.
I’m still figuring out proton. I’m trying to switch most of my account over to proton. You use the simple login app? Doesn’t proton pass have that ability as well?
Yes - you can use your Proton account to log directly into Simplelogin via web, browser extension, or Android app. I suspect the Proton Pass feature is related to their partnership with Simplelogin but not sure? I actually just noticed the email generation Pass feature this week. Having that integrated into the password manager is really handy. May be time to start using it but migrating password managers is a pain.
Over nextcloud probably the e2ee. I suppose soon they will also integrate this better with email (like you can attach directly and save directly from email), so the seamless integrations with the rest of the products will probably amount to other benefits over time.
“After years of pushing their proprietary and closed solutions to privacy minded people Proton decided that it was in their best interest to further bury said users into their service as a form of vendor lock-in. To achieve this they made yet anoter non-standard groupware feature - a document editor.
Until I can easily export the data, where is the vendor lock?
Vendor lock means that migrating away has significant cost or technical challenges.
Take this case: documents saved are first of all easily downloadable from drive (in bulk), and also exportable in markdown.
They change pricing/add features that I don’t want/sell off the company (hard now that it’s managed by a nonprofit but still) etc.? I make a nice bulk download and move everything in whatever other system I want. I can do the same for contacts, email (I use my own domains) and calendar. Basically, 1h + the time to download files and I am moved to another provider.
Can you elaborate in what you think the vendor lock looks like?
That might be it. Whatever the reason, it seems like a missed opportunity. Especially when they go out of their way to provide direct APKs to Android users who do not use Play Store.
They might have done their stats and figured out that only 0.0000001% of their users would benefit from it and there weren’t much profit there to make.
If they had a contacts app for Android and a proton drive Linux client I would be 1,000% on board. I would switch basically everything over and be more than happy to pay for it. Useless to me otherwise
. I think once we critical mass joins with their buying power, things should change.
Yeah me too, but for that to happen you need to get: Adobe CC, MS Office, Autodesk and a few others the masses use as native desktop apps. The Linux Desktop year will not come until those exist… and until GNOME fixes their shit and stop thinking their users are stupid and desktop icons are useless.
Also Autodesk might work on Linux since .NET was recently integrated to major distros, though I’m merely thinking .NET = .NET for AutoCAD which might not be true, or is not the whole picture^1,2,3^.
I don’t think they don’t care, they have been adding Linux versions for all of their apps (except drive of course). The CEO themselves said in an interview that a Linux client for drive is inevitable and they will make one, but one of the hardest clients to develop.
The guy who made the Backblaze software said it was already done and was easy for their standard client to work with Linux but never got rolled out because Linux users are power users. I wonder if that is the real reason when it comes to Proton. It’s not unlimited but maybe there is some power user use that they anticipate and don’t want to deal with.
I feel like their goal is more close to providing a privacy-minded alternative to Google’s G-suite to “regular” users, so for me it totally makes sense. But yeah, I’m also really waiting for the Linux drive app.
I’m gonna try to see if you can use a windows vm with proton drive and a shared folder with the host system. Kinda a pain, but if it works it works. What I’d really love is an api for this kind of asshattery
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