Yeah but that doesn’t mean I think it’s a “community” that I am “joining”.
Certainly by some definition of the word you can call these things communities just because that’s how language works. Using “community” in this way is so pervasive I laughingly recall a tech bro watch company calling the people that buy their watches a “community”.
But from the meaning of the word before the rise of social media, social media platforms and the loosely structured groups underneath that you “form” by “joining” (AKA sometimes just looking at a video or web page or something) them definitely don’t resemble nor replace a community.
EDIT:
TL;DR: Being subscribed to “Lemmy Shitpost” (or just not blocking it, as is my case) isn’t exactly like joining the local chapter of the Loyal Order of Moose.
Would you say smaller forums where people largely know each other are communities then? IRC? Discord?
Probably not, but they’re at least closer. Real communities provide you care, support, relief from loneliness, a sense of purpose, etc. etc. etc.
It’s possible for some (lucky souls) to find tiny nuggets of these benefits in even the worst online “communities” (I think partially because we’re hard wired as humans to need these things), but by and large it’s does not exactly scratch the same itches that your grandma’s sewing circle or bridge club used to.
Because I struggle to think what else could or has ever fit such a strict definition.
It’s difficult to reason about because if you’re anywhere close to my age group (old ass millenial) online “communities” appeared and replaced existing physical communities across the country (I’m speaking in US terms). We’re now basically as lonely as we’ve ever been as a country, and I think it’s at least partially related to us going inside and screen timing it up for a number of decades on these platforms where “the community” is a bunch of strangers angrily typing messages to you through the Internet.
I find it no small coincidence that loneliness in America skyrocketed even as people became more active on social media. It points at the exact lack of benefit you get out of these “communities” that you used to get out of the old type.
I’m sorry you’re struggling with loneliness, personally I’m definitely not and I can’t say I know anyone who is.
It has nothing to do with me personally. I’m a bit of a hermit myself. I’d say my social needs started to not be met around 2022 (after approximately 2 years of near total isolation due to COVID) but now I’m completely back up to baseline again.
Yes, it’s possible for people in marginalized communities to reach each other digitally using the Internet; it’s also possible for them to encounter more hatred and bigotry online than they used to in real life (albeit with hopefully less dire consequences).
Sounds like we’re just measuring mental health awareness, plus the rise in boomers using the web and often exposing people to their alienating rhetoric.
I don’t think I’m “just measuring” anything. If you want to plug your ears and pretend that I’m not talking about real problems, that’s all fine and dandy. Go ahead about your day and enjoy your dating apps, but social media isn’t all roses.
That seems like the problem and what’s creating the perception making you agree with this.
No, you just personalize everything.
Again, I’m not making up the statistics. I’m not writing the books or doing the analysis. People who spend their whole career doing this stuff are doing it, and you find it easy to dismiss all of it because you agree with the “criticisms” section of a wikipedia page, have a confirmation bias, and you like the little tech bubble you live in…so it must not be a problem overall if it doesn’t affect you personally.
Eh… There are a variety of end-runs around this mechanism.
There are any number of hypothetical end-runs around just about anything you can think of, that doesn’t make protections, mechanisms, controls, or safeties useless.
In the US, political bribery is nearly 100% legal. I’d rather have some hoops for corrupt officials to jump through. We don’t even make them break a sweat in this country.
Sure, but that doesn’t mean that even discussing real or hypothetical measures to reign in corruption is inherently worthless because you can sometimes get around some of them.
I hate the US “either we solve everything, or nothing is worth doing” mindset that’s pervasive in this country, and the only reason I responded is because you’re providing a good example of it.
You can make this same, tired, ultimately invalid argument about anything you look to improve.
You can’t prevent the spread of all communicable disease, so why bother taking any precautions?
Someone could build their own gun, so why bother preventing a convicted felon from buying an oozie?
Someone could evade a line item tax by hiring a fancy lawyer and setting up bespoke legal structures around themselves as an entity, so why bother looking at closing any of the existing tax loopholes?
The answer is that because it’s not fucking all or nothing. Sure, someone could hypothetically do lots of things to evade any precaution that you put in place around dangerous or bad things, but that doesn’t mean it’s completely ineffective. If it’s too much of a hassle, some people won’t bother. Some people will actually get caught. Hell, with the existing lax corruption laws and lazy ass enforcement in the US people are still sometimes found in violation of them.
It isn’t a “if you ain’t first you’re last” situation. Reasonable safeguards, laws, standards, practices, and the like save and improve lives.
Agreed, so why squabble with people pointing out that the US is more corrupt than other countries? It is.
And it’s more corrupt because not only are we more accepting of corruption, but “we” (like you) largely don’t believe in incremental change or taking small measures to problem reduction…we largely believe in our version of “superman” arriving…I dunno what your thoughts actually are…maybe some gay space communism revolution that’ll never occur?
I gotta tell ya at this point we’re much more likely to get full, mask-off fascism complete with gas chambers than we are to get any kind of communist revolution in the US.
I don’t think the US voter base is any more accepting of corruption than any other constituency.
Counterpoints: the US voter base re-elected Nixon (and largely wanted him to stay in office)…elected and then re-elected Reagan (despite him openly admitting to lying to the American public and exchanging guns for hostages)…elected Trump in the first place, cast more votes for Trump in 2020 than they had in 2016, and now look like they might just go ahead and put the corrupt gasbag right back in there despite the fact that he’s openly corrupt, brags about it, and will likely get more corrupt in any second term.
The only thing that can save America from itself is a new socialist turn.
So there’s your version of superman. Within the current political environment, I just don’t see this happening without another depression or similar (so perhaps even decades more of what we currently got). I also am decidedly not someone in favor of eliminating democracy in favor of purportedly “temporary” one-party rule (that never fucking ends).
Reagan wasn’t hit by Iran Contra until '87, and it nearly sank the Bush '88 campaign for President.
My apologies for getting the timelines slightly mixed up. In my defense I was 4 at the time. However, Bush winning in '88 despite being neck deep in an administration full of openly admitted liars doesn’t exactly bode well for your argument that US voters aren’t pretty A-OK with corruption.
The idea of a single all-power Ubermensch Superman isn’t a socialist view.
Nah, it’s a human one, and one that’s extremely common in the US despite our governmental structure all but guaranteeing that one guy alone can’t fix things.
We love simple power structures, because we’re simple beings. It’s also why I think there is more to horseshoe theory than people want to admit. Communists claim to want gay space communism but seem A-OK with some stupid asshole being basically a dictator as long as its their type of stupid asshole.
Once we formed up larger civilized order, it took us millennia to conceive of a different type of governance aside from “what one stupid asshole says goes”.
Time and again, large cooperative campaigns of mutual aid provide better outcomes than the public putting all our hopes on a handful of aristocratic elites.
I somewhat agree? I think? But I’m not sure it has much to do with anything we’re discussing.
Mass media has been pivotal in expanding and inflating the reputations of larger-than-life individuals (real and imagined).
I mean people belong to cults. I don’t think they joined because of the news (which doesn’t even cover them). People are idiots.
Its strange to see the American right
I’d agree full stop right there. They’re a strange beast. In a way it’s possible (though not something I’d bother with) to feel somewhat sorry for them…what with them being so anti-immigration in a country teeming with nothing but immigrants.
I’m convinced I’m pretty immune to being sucked into a cult, but aside from that I consider myself about as stupid as your average people.
EDIT: I also don’t think of us as “sheep” or “glassy-eyed automatons”. I think we, as a species, are a different type of stupid. We spend most of our lives deluding ourselves into thinking that we’re somehow above (or the winners of) the natural order. We spend enough time in denial to buy a second home there. Our true nature isn’t all that much different from a monkey picking flies off of its shoulders in the jungle…just with more zoom calls.
Like industrial accidents from bad management and OSHA/child-labor violations.
Yes, which certainly we’d expect a kindergartener to encounter. /s
If you have a situation in your country where you’re regularly expecting kindergartners to perform first aid, you’ve failed them before you’ve even kicked off the lesson.
Probably has fair few bots, foreign actors looking to stir up shit, and a half dozen corporate shills looking to alter public opinion as well.
Edit: Nevermind. You’re right, downvoting guys. You’re all definitely humans arguing in good faith on this platform where all i needed to join was to pick a username and password. 😆
A kindergartener having to even be in high trauma situations in the first place is a societal failing, and one that probably shouldn’t be papered over by giving them first aid training but instead be handled by addressing the reasons why you’re putting so many kindergarteners in traumatic situations in the first place.
Edit: I can see the case for this type of training in young adulthood, but kindergartners? GTFOH
A woman will lead the country for the first time in history. President López Obrador’s successor has won a second term for the National Regeneration Movement and stifled the conservative coalition’s aspirations...
There’s something in the contrast between the high percentages of the “best country in the world” people that generally populate the US vs the lived experience of being in America and noticing the myriad ways in which it is decidedly not the fucking best.
That contrast is a killer, and I think adds to the motivation people have to shit on it.
Project 2025 (and its auxiliary Trump’s “Agenda 47”) are a plan by right-wing extremists and other authoritarians to end America’s multiracial democracy and to replace it with a White Christian nationalist plutocracy....
The argument that Hillary is responsible for Trump is pretty ridiculous. The Republican primary for 2016 was a clown car full of losers nobody liked and Trump won through a series of plurality victories because the GOP is full of power hungry narcissists.
Notably in 2020, early on it was looking like the Democrats were going to nominate Bernie in the same way. He was winning early primary contests by plurality. But the Democrats circled their wagons and lined up behind Biden.
Hillary Clinton barely had a grip on the Democratic party in 2016. She lost significant mindshare and support to a relative unknown at the time (Bernie). She certainly wasn’t powerful enough to pick who she ran against.
Biden also didn’t to my knowledge discuss the Republican primary very much if at all. For a while he was giving Trump the Voldemort treatment and not even referring to him by name.
LOL…the right has one. As someone who is relatively a-political, I perceive much more pressure to “be a manly man” (whatever the fuck that is…I guess DRIVE TRUCK, EAT MEAT, FOOT EVERY BALL, LIFT EVERY WEIGHT, JESUS, NO MASK! NO VACCINE! and PUFF OUT CHEST) than I do to “not be a white man” but I guess I don’t spend all day in my basement worrying about what people with anime profile pictures are posting on Xitter, nor watch the big, angry puffed chest man underground truth news featuring screamy mc redface rant about it nightly…so I’m not as black pilled as you are.
Dude, a wide variety of entertainers and lots of other wildly successful people are loosely affiliated with the left.
They’re just too busy doing other stuff instead of screaming into a camera and uploading it on YouTube.
The people you listed aren’t even role models. They’re talking heads. They’re pundits. “The left” depending upon how you define “the left” has those too.
I must admit though that I misread the post I originally replied to. I thought he was talking about how “the right” has many archetypes or blueprints or something for being a man. It doesn’t. It has one stereotype and it wants everyone to be that. However, that’s a different discussion entirely so my apologies.
It’s funny how this headline is exclusively about what Trump would do to pro-palestinian demonstrators, which comports completely with what he was doing to or wanted to do to George Floyd protestors, and yet the comments are mostly about… Joe Biden?
Ben Carson’s remarks about whether he would accept the results of the 2024 presidential election regardless of which party wins falls in line with a recent Republican trend that’s causing a stir among social media users....
This leans right into Americans’ short attention spans and inability to understand nuance or complicated subjects.
I mean large swaths of the country chirp “America is the best” or “America is #1” without ever even taking a second to ask what it is we’re even “the best” at.
I share their opinion but also wish more people would care about metrics other than gdp and stock market indexes when a Republican is in office.
The news babbles about the real economy and how we’re on the brink of a recession tirelessly whenever a Democrat is in the presidency, then magically when a Republican is even just elected (not even in office yet) all of those “meaningless” numbers are suddenly meaningful, and it turns out there’s actually nothing wrong with using unemployment numbers, the GDP, and the Dow Jones index to determine economic health, even as more go homeless.
The only well-known politician I’ve seen talk consistently about this regardless of the party in the white house is Bernie.
“I just wanna debate this guy, but you know– and I’m gonna demand a drug test too, by the way,” Trump said as the audience cheered. “I am. No, I really am. I don’t want him coming in like the State of the Union. He was high as a kite.”
Be strong like me: a woman who has to put on armor and carry a gun in order to be anywhere with lines painted on the road, drive a six ton tank vehicle, put up cameras everywhere, live in the middle of nowhere, requires militarized bathroom police to protect me from trans people, and wants the entire Mexican border covered in razor and electrical wire.
Probably Xandan. I’m not familiar at all with the case but I know the state thinks in every case every accused person is guilty and therefore we shouldn’t care about their human rights any longer because they are forfeit.
But the reality is that we’re all deserving of rights and basic human decency, even the worst offenders, because treating people who committed horrific crimes horribly does nothing to undo those crimes and multiplies them, and it allows anyone who has been framed for doing something awful to be treated the same way even if you think “an eye for an eye” barbary is any way to solve things, which I do not.
There are many reasons why inhumane treatment of prisoners is wrong, and the chance that the person is actually innocent is only one of those.
Police coerce “confessions” out of people pretty often. People swear up and down that they’d never confess like that, but it’s hard to know until you’re in the situation yourself.
There is a way out too: say lawyer and refuse to talk to them.
The guy’s mental state was likely in the toilet, and then they sweated him for hours at the station.
The internet connects people (lemmy.world)
AOC defeats moderate challenger in Democratic primary (www.usatoday.com)
Ironing
Rock Eagle Flag (lemmy.world)
Sauce: i hate it here
Trump Joked About Nazi 'Ovens' to His Jewish Employees, Says Former Trump Org VP (www.rollingstone.com)
Alex Jones agrees to liquidate his assets to pay Sandy Hook families, in move that would end his ownership of Infowars (www.cnn.com)
The American People (lemmy.world)
Claudia Sheinbaum, the first female president of Mexico (english.elpais.com)
A woman will lead the country for the first time in history. President López Obrador’s successor has won a second term for the National Regeneration Movement and stifled the conservative coalition’s aspirations...
Trump is now trying to downplay Project 2025 (www.salon.com)
Project 2025 (and its auxiliary Trump’s “Agenda 47”) are a plan by right-wing extremists and other authoritarians to end America’s multiracial democracy and to replace it with a White Christian nationalist plutocracy....
It’s not just boomers, young people are voting far right too (www.politico.eu)
Ahead of the European election, striking data shows where Gen Z and millennials’ allegiances lie....
Trump told donors he will crush pro-Palestinian protests, deport demonstrators | Speaking to wealthy donors behind closed doors, he said that he supports Israel’s right to continue “its war on terror. (wapo.st)
Donald Trump ally's response to accepting election results met with alarm (www.newsweek.com)
Ben Carson’s remarks about whether he would accept the results of the 2024 presidential election regardless of which party wins falls in line with a recent Republican trend that’s causing a stir among social media users....
Trump ends speech to 'mostly boos' after going 'off prompter' and 'making fun of' his host (www.rawstory.com)
Clarence Thomas Just Set Civil Rights Back 70 Years (www.theroot.com)
The economy is thriving under Biden. So why don’t Americans believe it? (www.dailykos.com)
A Hidden Variable in the Presidential Race: Fears of ‘Trump Forever’ | Undecided voters are concerned that if Donald Trump returns to the White House, he’ll never leave. (www.bloomberg.com)
It’s almost like Trump tried a coup to avoid leaving office the last time around.
Almost 40 percent of South Dakotans say Noem shooting dog was justified (thehill.com)
Woman killed by her two XL bully dogs at home in east London (www.theguardian.com)
Trump flattened for talking about executing Biden before gun owners (www.rawstory.com)
Trump Demands Biden Take a Drug Test Before Debating and Claims the President Was ‘High as a Kite’ During the State of the Union (www.mediaite.com)
“I just wanna debate this guy, but you know– and I’m gonna demand a drug test too, by the way,” Trump said as the audience cheered. “I am. No, I really am. I don’t want him coming in like the State of the Union. He was high as a kite.”
"Don't Be Weak and Gay," a Missouri GOP Candidate Tells Voters in a New Campaign Ad (www.them.us)
Are We Really Going to Let Trump Come Back to Fail Again? (www.nytimes.com)
For many millions of Americans, time seemed to move differently under President Donald Trump....
Trump Leads in 5 Key States, as Young and Nonwhite Voters Express Discontent With Biden (www.nytimes.com)
I am a trans man incarcerated in a woman’s prison where feminism is a four-letter word (www.lgbtqnation.com)