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Rottcodd, in Unmoderated and now extremely delayed federation - is it time to move?
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Funny thing...

Underneath all of the sycophantic language, this thread somehow still has the same stench as the past mbin concern troll threads.

I'm just not buying it.

proprioception,
@proprioception@kbin.social avatar

I agree. I’m no marathon kbin contributor, but I like it here a lot and I would be happier if this thread was about what we can do to support kbin as an instance.
If mbin where a placeholder for doing this (as in if certain permissions aren’t available yet) then I’d be buoyed up by OP’s thread.
Anyhoo, viva la kbin, viva la federation!

Kierunkowy74, (edited )
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misericordiae,

I couldn't figure out how to describe the vibe I was getting, but you put it into words very neatly.

Seraph,
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Again, the point here isn't what the alternative is.

It's the fact that Kbin isn't WORKING.

Poggervania,
@Poggervania@kbin.social avatar

Kbin is working fine for me.

If you want to use mbin, just use it - who gives a shit what instance you are on? Innit that the whole point of federation?

verysoft, in Unmoderated and now extremely delayed federation - is it time to move?

Kbin just has the best frontpage honestly, content wise and UI wise.

Semi-Hemi-Demigod,
@Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

When Kbin isn’t working I check out Lemmy but it just feels too cluttered. If I didn’t need to get paid I’d help Ernest out but, ya know, capitalism 🤷‍♂️

wjrii,
@wjrii@kbin.social avatar

Many of the lemmy instances have two or more front-ends available. I find https://photon.lemmy.world/ with the dark them and "List" post style looks pretty nice. There's at least one that just simply replicates old reddit.

FfaerieOxide,
@FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

Can you say "fag" on lemmy.world yet or is a huge list of words that get replaced by " [REMOVED] " still hardcoded over there?

FfaerieOxide,
@FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

Do y'all not like pertinent-to-the-conversation questions about hardcoded word bans on some of these platforms or are the downvotes on the above post due to issues y'all take with fags reclaiming and self-referring using anti-them slurs?

tjhart85, (edited )
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For me, you saying "hey, can I use slurs over there yet? Specifically, ___" is a bit like the dudebros that yell out "Equal rights, equal fights!" as they pretend to punch a woman ... like ... why the fuck did your mind go there immediately ... it's a bit disconcerting.

Had you said something like "Do they still have the hardcoded blocked words, still? I used to laugh whenever someone from England tried to mention cigarettes and it gets [REMOVED]! Haven't seen that in a while though" I don't think you'd have gotten the downvotes.

Just my opinion, others may have had different reasons to dislike your comment.

ETA: Your other comment wasn't showing before. You identify as the word and want to be able to use it and not have it be labeled as hate speech when it's against yourself ... So ... I'll update my "had you said" to "Hey, are they still redacting fag over there? We're trying to take that word back into the community (similar to how queer has largely been taken back) and it's real fucking hard when it's [REMOVED]!" instead.

Chozo,

Maybe you should think of non-awful words to use, instead.

FfaerieOxide,
@FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

Maybe you should think of non-awful words to use, instead.

Fag is a beautiful word which accurately describes me and 4/3 of my friends.

I'm all for kicking people who weaponize hate speech off of platforms but restricting the language marginalized groups can use to refer to themselves is contrary to the ends hardcoded banned word lists would seem to've been implemented to engender.

It isn't even one instance making that decision as I understand it—it's hardcoded into Lemmy (as opposed to kbin or whatever other options may exist).

Chozo,

I understand the idea of reclaiming a slur. But general audiences might not recognize what you're saying for what it is. And nothing stops a bad actor from making the same claims and using the terms in bad faith, hence why it's generally easier from all sides to use different verbiage.

Chozo, in Unmoderated and now extremely delayed federation - is it time to move?

Does anybody happen to have contact with Ernest outside of Kbin? It's a little concerning that his last update over a month ago was that he was going in for a medical procedure and that he'd only be gone for a few days. I hope he's doing alright.

readbeanicecream,
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Kierunkowy74, in Unmoderated and now extremely delayed federation - is it time to move?
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You can still use /kbin via another instance: there is kbin.earth by the developer of Interstellar app.

stopthatgirl7,
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Is there a list anywhere of different kbin instances? I don’t want to give up on kbin, but I might have to give up on social.

Kierunkowy74,
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Technically it would be this

karab.in and bin.pol.social are Polish,
kbin.cafe has been abandonned with many instances have already blocked it,
wiku.hu is (Hungarian) silo.

Seraph,
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Yeesh. I wish there were better options in that list.

dragonist, in Unmoderated and now extremely delayed federation - is it time to move?
@dragonist@kbin.social avatar

I’ve been feeling it too, and have been on the fence about jumping ship. My block list is growing so fast it’s just a touch obscene. So many pill pushers junk websites and… random and science are hit so hard it’s frustrating.

Raffster, in So much spam

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  • snooggums,
    @snooggums@kbin.social avatar

    I will be registering elsewhere to see if the experience is any better. I really like the overall direction and design of kbin, but things have been dragging on updates and improvements.

    For example, my settings are identical as far as I can tell between desktop and mobile, but my mobile feed is generally hitting day old on the first page while desktop has several pages of more recent content. I walked through the settings side by side and they appear identical.

    But I haven't reported it or searched to see if someone else has because of the absence making the effort to document and report less urgent.

    I'll keep my account of course and keep an eye out if it picks back up because do like the browser based interface and the combo of lemmy and mastodon in a single feed.

    celeste,

    I know the admin here recently had a minor surgery. I'm hoping for some kind of solution for when normal life stuff keeps him away. Like a few people just in charge of getting rid of spammers and worse people.

    Yprum,

    I was guessing that could be the issue, but even if there's little moderation I still wanted to know the best way to report :)

    FfaerieOxide, in Unmoderated and now extremely delayed federation - is it time to move?
    @FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

    is it time to move?

    While Kbin is here I am here. I don't think Kbin is dead at all.

    s0ckpuppet,

    The sole maintainer of the project has been totally MIA for a month and the site has gone down or partially not worked repeatedly for months now. Now we've got issues with post federating on time and spam bots. It's not sustainable like this. I really appreciate what Ernest has done and am a big fan of Kbin, but he's clearly spread too thin and apparently wont allow people to help him.

    FfaerieOxide,
    @FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

    the site has gone down or partially not worked repeatedly for months now.

    Oh please. This site never worked without a hitch. Come on over and have some fun in Taking Covid Seriously or Fagville if-and-when a page refreshes.

    FaceDeer,
    @FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

    This site never worked without a hitch.

    That is not a ringing endorsement.

    I was very enthusiastic about kbin when it launched, I donated a fair bit to Ernest in those early heady days. But if he's refusing to accept help from other devs and admins I don't think it's sustainable, something like this just can't work as a one-man show. I wish him all the best but if that doesn't change I don't see this working in the long run.

    FfaerieOxide,
    @FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

    That is not a ringing endorsement.

    The site is just as good as it was when it was good enough for me to start using it and hasn't gotten worse.

    I have posted endorsements which ring better elsewhere.

    FaceDeer,
    @FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

    It has been getting worse for me. In addition to the sporadic outages, the spam, and the slow federation, I've had to develop the habit of refreshing the page before I try to respond to or vote on any comments. If I open the page and let it sit for a few minutes before trying I invariably get an error. It definitely didn't used to be that way.

    If it was that bad for you from the outset I'm surprised you stuck around. I wouldn't've. I've only held on because I started to feel "settled".

    s0ckpuppet,

    Yep I get that comment/post error pretty frequently as well

    s0ckpuppet, (edited )

    I get where you're coming from, but don't really agree that because it's been bad it's fine that it continues to be bad or even worse when these are solvable problems. The issue with recent posts federating in a timely fashion is pretty concerning for one.

    But even if I did agree with you about the site errors, the huge gaps in any communication are a big issue. It'd be great to know what's going on. And not being able to get an account deletion honored is frankly unacceptable. I've had one pending for close to a month. And having the entire project tied up with one person who just disappears without warning is also a big problem. Administering this instance all by one's self is already impractical. But doing that and also single-handedly running a software project of this complexity and magnitude on top of that is really hard to rationalize.

    Anybody remember what happened Artemis? All that effort and community support poured into an app with a single dev holding the whole thing together and poof. She's gone and the app is no more. I still don't think anybody's heard from her since.

    Huge props to him for what he's achieved, but Ernest needs to accept help. It's that simple.

    roadkill,

    KBin also does not honor account deletion requests.

    s0ckpuppet,

    Yep I decided to switch accounts to this username from another one I had been using that is kinda attached to my freelance business. I felt like it wasn't the wisest move to get into occasional debates with strangers like that. Some people just lose their mind if you disagree with them online.

    So I requested deletion close to a month ago and it still hasn't gone through. Will it ever? Who knows

    roadkill,

    Mine was over 6 months ago.

    s0ckpuppet,

    holy shit that's bad

    sab,
    @sab@kbin.social avatar

    I appreciate kbin a lot and I hope Ernest will get back to development when he's ready, but I don't think it makes sense for him also to be responsible for administrating a major instance. That's a huge job.

    I'm not entirely sure where I'd move to yet, but if kbin.social is not properly moderated it makes sense to go elsewhere. At some point other instances might have no choice but to defederate.

    That's different from giving up on the software - I do still appreciate Kbin a lot. :)

    FfaerieOxide,
    @FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

    I see alot of people complaining about this or that on the site, but not interacting with what people who are posting are still posting. Not posting anything of their own save complains about the site being as fucked ever it was or instigating jumping ship.

    Honestly it's hard to tell what people want at times.

    sab,
    @sab@kbin.social avatar

    I guess the beautiful thing of being federated is that the content is separate from the software. If people enjoy the software but find kbin.social to be too unstable, they might very well jump ship to https://fedia.io/ or something (or even start their own instance), and we will still get to enjoy their content. :)

    I don't have much patience for people complaining about how their instances are being run considering how easy it is to move somewhere else. Discussions and constructive criticism is of course a different matter, but the beauty of the fediverse as far as I'm concerned is that you can take the "if you don't like it, go somewhere else" attitude to the extreme without really being a jerk. :)

    LZamperini, in where are kbin admins?

    off topic: is kbin dead today? not getting any new threads. bout to start looking for a more supported lemmy instance i guess.

    e0qdk,
    @e0qdk@kbin.social avatar

    Federation is way behind -- like 5~6 hours behind, I think.

    Seraph,
    @Seraph@kbin.social avatar

    Someone said mbin above so I found this instance: https://fedia.io/

    Is this where we have to go now?

    I kinda feel bad as Ernest did well in a tough situation, but this clearly needs to be handled by a larger team now.

    speck,

    Took a look at it. How do you get image previews to be full sized on mobile?

    And what's the story behind this instance? Like, vs kbin or mbin

    roguetrick, (edited )

    It's increasing. It's up to about 12 hours. I've officially migrated off of kbin for now. I'm sure it's started to throw errors to other instances. Last time it did that we got temporarily defederated.

    EmptyRadar, in So much spam

    I, personally, have been blocking the users submitting the spam. This isn't a good solution, but it does clear my feed out and make it so that I forget the spam is there until I see another user I need to block.

    The other thing I have been doing is submitting content to my favorite magazines - if we actively engage the mags, we can force the spam down.

    ignirtoq,

    I do this, too, and I've been wishing there were a setting I could set where kbin would just auto-hide content submitted by accounts that have been blocked by at least X other accounts.

    Yprum,

    Yeah I am blocking too but wanted to help remove the accounts by reporting if I can. I should become more active but after years of inactivity in social networks it's hard to start again.

    mihnt, in can we not name magazines like reddit and make them better? examples: foodporn => goodfood earthporn => BreathtakingLandscapes trees => weed ....
    @mihnt@kbin.social avatar

    Calling weed "trees" has been around a lot longer than the internet so I don't think you'll make that go away.

    leadore, in Magazine dedicated to discussions about the kbin itself. Provide feedback, ask questions, suggest improvements, and engage in conversations related to the platform organization, policies, features, and community dynamics.
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    I can't figure out how to open links to magazines/communities on other instances in kbin in order to subscribe to them. Clicking on it opens the instance in a new tab. Pasting its link into Search for magazines usually comes up empty. I

    For example today I saw this post with a link to a lemmy.world community. I click the link and it opens that community's lemmy.world page in a new tab. If I click Subscribe on that page, it asks my for my instance, I enter kbin.social and I get a kbin.social page with 404 Not Found. If I try to search for it on kbin with either the name or the full link, I just get "Empty".

    That's just one example, it happens with lots of other ones, too, especially new ones. I've managed to pull foreign ones up sometimes. I assume those are cases where kbin.social already "knows" about a community because someone else on here has interacted with it.

    So how do I subscribe to these things?

    HeartyBeast, in Kbin, please keep developing!
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    You might be interested in mbin - a fork of kbin that I believe is being actively maintained https://github.com/MbinOrg/mbin?tab=readme-ov-file

    look997,
    @look997@kbin.social avatar

    Things are missing there too. It should sync and take over everything.

    e0qdk, in Who controls karab.in? it has not turned on for several weeks or even months
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    @ernest runs it, I think

    @piotrsikora -- FYI in case you can do anything about it or have insight

    piotrsikora,
    @piotrsikora@pol.social avatar

    @e0qdk
    I think is Ernest instance.
    We as @ftdl works only on Kbin.social

    I will ask Ernest about Karab.in on some meeting.

    @ernest @look997

    readbeanicecream, (edited ) in Unmoderated and now extremely delayed federation - is it time to move?
    @readbeanicecream@kbin.social avatar

    @Seraph According to https://status.lemm.ee the federation is not receiving data on real time from any kbin or mbin instance. I am following kbinmeta there and the most recent post is from three days ago. Fedia and kbin.run (both mbin) looks like two weeks ago is the earliest.

    Edit: Looks like ot took about 21 hours for a kbin post to hit lemm.ee. No comments
    ..just post. So a 21 one hour delay so far.

    Seraph,
    @Seraph@kbin.social avatar

    You're right I noticed this today as well.

    Chozo, in Unmoderated and now extremely delayed federation - is it time to move?

    Well ain't this just unfortunate timing.

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