A lot of people voted for Biden because they were horrified by what Trump was doing, things like the border prisons. Nothing fundamentally changed, they were just rebranded.
Oh if Trump wins, I fully expect Biden to be in cuffs or publicly executed, depending on how much power his Supreme Court hands him… either a lot or a fuckton
If the Biden campaign thought that hish payment felonies were going to cost Trump the election, then they haven’t been paying attention for the last 10 years
Don’t mistake this, he will now do anything and everything to win the election. It’s his only chance of avoiding prison. Cornered rat and all that – it’s more important than ever to get out the vote.
i think he’s betting on the pro-isreal-no-matter-what people who vote more reliably for the establishment than the left-leaning young who usually don’t vote for the establishment.
the later is a is chicken and egg problem because there’s not much reason for a progressive to vote for a centrist, so the centrist doesn’t try to reach out to the progressives; cementing a lack of votes from progressives for a centrist.
Some 10% to 27% of Americans, depending on whom you ask, want the full Trump program: mass executions of liberals, bans on contraception and homosexuality, Christian nationalism, the whole Unified Reich thing, and plenty of opportunities to denounce annoying neighbours/coworkers/acquaintances as “woke” and have then taken away. Another 10-20% are low-information voters who “aren’t political”, but know, from news headlines, that things are in some way not going well, and based on vibes, believe it’s time for a change of administration. Being nonpolitical, they don’t care who replaces Biden, as long as it’s someone else, and of course, don’t understand Duverger’s Law and the Electoral College and thus don’t see why it couldn’t be literally anyone else.
You’re forgetting a decent subset. Ones who are informed but would rather vote 3rd party, which due to not having Teddy Roosevelt won’t do shit, rather than vote for either of these guys
Ones who are informed but would rather vote 3rd party
Or not at all. The Biden first term has been deeply depressing and demotivating. At some point, people have to live their lives and can’t be entirely subsumed in politics.
If they’re struggling to make rent, if they can’t get health care after picking up the Long COVID or caring for a relative to did, if they’re still crippled by student debts that never got relieved, if they’ve got loved ones abroad or in border detention centers who are being brutalized by US foreign policy, if they can’t afford a new car because Biden just slapped a giant tariff in cheap new imports, or who are simply too overworked and underpaid to afford the luxury of a political fixation, I can see people tuning out this election cycle as another media circus.
If Biden’s truly changing the lives of millions of people with his public policy, maybe none of that will matter. Maybe there will be legions of staunch Biden-heads bellying up to the polls in support of their savior. But I see a step gulf between what Democrats say is happening and what people sick of this administration are experiencing. I suspect that gulf will be what sinks him in November.
I completely agree that’s what I meant by the 3rd party. Those who will refuse to vote for either and I tend to find that more common from those who would’ve voted Democrat compared to the ones that would’ve voted Republican
You find lots of defectors in homogenous states. Texas is flush with libertarian conservatives who believe they aren’t served by the GOP. California has it’s fill of socialists disgusted with corporate shills in the “liberal” party.
Swing states have to play friendlier with these types of voters, producing lots of oddball candidates like Dennis Kucinich and Ilhan Omar. One reason Dem Senators are running so far ahead of Biden is due to their moderate appeal in their states relative to his extremist views.
And of course, they’ll all be treated by the FBI with kid gloves, while leftists pointing out the impending need for self defense from their treasonous aggression will be persecuted as terrorists.
Read harder instead of taking offense at every imagined slight.
“while leftists pointing out the impending need for self defense from their treasonous aggression will be”
To which i replied “Called NRA shills?” which has been my experience here on lemmy.
You could’ve even just read the back and forth with the other commenter and figured out what I was saying. Nothing feels as good as indignation I guess though.
Yes, I now understand that you were intending to lament it. I’m glad you’ve finally realized that the accusation implied by your tone accidentally reinforced it instead.
(By the way, now that we’re done bickering: I’d say that people who are privileged enough not to need to understand the value of self-defense are very likely to be liberals, not leftists.)
In the sense of what it supposedly represented, and in the sense of it’s land and people, it most certainly is. What we call America today is nothing more than a machine, a meat grinder that has superseded what came before it in all but name.
America has been a meat grinder the whole time and never really represented any of the things we claim it did. All men were created equal but slavery and genocide were fine? If anything we’re closer to that ideal now than we ever have been
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