Hamas proposes 135-day Gaza truce with complete Israeli withdrawal

Hamas has proposed a ceasefire plan that would quiet the guns in Gaza for four-and-a-half months, during which all hostages would go free, Israel would withdraw its troops from the Gaza Strip and an agreement would be reached on an end to the war.

There was no immediate public response from Israel, which has said it will not pull its troops out of Gaza until Hamas is wiped out.

The Hamas counterproposal envisages three phases of a truce, lasting 45 days each. Militants would exchange remaining Israeli hostages captured on Oct. 7 for Palestinian prisoners. The reconstruction of Gaza would begin, Israeli forces would withdraw completely, and bodies and remains would be exchanged.

U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken arrived overnight in Israel after meeting the leaders of mediators Qatar and Egypt.

A source close to the negotiations said the Hamas counterproposal did not require a guarantee of a permanent ceasefire at the outset, but an end to the war would have to be agreed during the truce before the final hostages were freed.

Rapidcreek,

They want to stay in power, which was rejected before and will be again.

Mrkawfee,

Yes it will be rejected for spurious reasons because Israel wants to depopulate Gaza of Palestinians. It’s unfinished business from the 1948 Nakba

Rapidcreek,

It’ll be rejected because Isreal doesn’t want to live next to people that want to rape and murder them.

OccamsTeapot,

I think people are generally nicer to you if you don’t oppress them for decades and destroy their homes but hey what do I know

ToucheGoodSir,

I’ve been talking to an Israeli girl for the last few months… Interesting to see things from their perspective. Ya know, if I had to hide in shelters from rocket attacks almost everyday, witnessing a stabbing that happened right next to a date I was having, etc, I’d probably be pretty fucking jaded as well.

The recent pulling of UNWRA funding was pretty telling imo :/ what are you supposed to do as a state when you have a bunch of kids being radicalized by billionaires living in Qatar to kill Jews n that it would be an honorable death doing so…

This same girl was thankful for the illegal Israeli settlers in the west bank because they act as a buffer to keep the Israeli center safe as they pull ire to them vs where she lives. I know it is a talking point, but I’d be curious to hear y’all’s answer on why the Egyptian border looks the way it does vs the Israeli one with Gaza.

Talking to this gal initially, I viewed it as trying to understand the perspective of a true believing Nazi German who happened to be ludicrously hot. The saying of “when you start into the abyss for too long, the abyss stares back” is too true >_< she calls the Palestinians rats quite frequently. I’m sad to say that hearing about her life, I’ve come to understand why she thinks the way she does. Even if I heavily disagree with a lot of her opinions and her fact checking.

Just yesterday I was talking to her about the tankboi killing those journalists in Lebanon. Her knee jerk reaction was that it was lies. Had to coax out of her which foreign media source she trusted based off what she had seen… It was fucking fox (of course). So I linked her a fox article about it, and it was quite entertaining feeling the gears turn.

Shyfer,

Ya know, if I had to hide in shelters from rocket attacks almost everyday, witnessing a stabbing that happened right next to a date I was having, etc, I’d probably be pretty fucking jaded as well.

That’s hilariously quaint next to life as a Palestinian. Hell, a stabbing? That’s quaint next to life in the hood of the USA. Maybe ask her to consider the Palestinian perspective next. They lost their land and haven’t been able to return. 78% of their water is bad. They can’t control their borders, imports, or exports. They can be held for months without trial or charge. The noise is so bad from the buzz of drones they can’t sleep. Israel restricts their calories to the bare minimum (calls it “putting them on a diet”). They raid their areas occasionally to kill some people and take more prisoners (call it “mowing the grass”). They bomb their hospitals, apartment buildings, refugee camps, and other civilian infrastructure. They get their trees and agriculture pulled by Israeli settlers who get defended by troops. Unemployment is rampant. Israel controls their electricity, which doesn’t work multiple times a day, their trash, and all other parts of their infrastructure. All they have is unguided rockets that occasionally kill their own, while Israel has a state of the art rocket defense system that prevents almost all of their deaths, jets, bombs, helicopters, and always the latest in military gear and tech. The Palestinians are maimed en masse during peaceful protests like the Great March of Return. The list goes on and on.

The Nazi comparison is right. Imagine some Nazi saying they’re thankful the government is moving the Jews away from them by putting them on these trains. It’s more of a buffer zone from the scary Jewish ghettos. They bring up the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, and how they saw people die from the scary Jews.

That’s basically what she was saying. There’s no concern for the citizens at all, and no realization that the “scary” situation is completely of their own making due to their own occupation and blockade of civilians, who will then rightly get angrier and angrier as time passes without a solution allowing their own sovereignty.

520,

I'm sure the Palestinians don't want to live next to people that want to do, and have done, the same and much more to them.

Rapidcreek,

It’s amazing how fast some turn to whatabout on this issue. It is never OK to commit an act of terrorism. Raping, murdering, taking hostages is never a workable solution to any problem. Bin Laden. justified 9/11 in the same way.

P1r4nha,

And with 9/11 a lot of people have talked of blowback. Are you saying the same can be said about Israel?

Rapidcreek,

No, I’m saying that terrisum on civilians can not be justified in a civilized world.

Signtist,

Hamas is evil, yes, but ultimately Israel isn’t attacking Hamas. It’s attacking Palestinians indiscriminately and hoping afterward that some of them might’ve been associated with Hamas. People aren’t calling for a ceasefire because they like Hamas, they’re calling for it because Hamas has nothing to do with Israel’s attack on Palestine besides being a convenient scapegoat.

Rapidcreek,

Isreal is attacking because of 10/7.

Keeponstalin,

What do you think the conditions were like in Gaza and the West Bank even on Oct 6th from the occupation?

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