ZapBeebz_,

“Sooner or later this will end in agreement,” was Putin’s message, arguing that Nato was coming to realise that defeating Russia on the battlefield would be impossible.

Does Putin realize that NATO is effectively fighting Russia with both arms tied behind it’s back right now? We’re funding Ukraine (who are doing a phenomenal job, fwiw), but we’re not even giving them the top of the line hardware. If the US actually got involved, Russia would pretty much instantly lose any glimmer of air superiority they have, and Ukraine could advance all the way to Moscow under NATO air cover. Like, the only reason Russia still exists is because NATO hasn’t even tried to fight Russia on the battlefield yet.

LordOfLocksley,

If the US actually got involved air superiority would be the least of our worries. The minute any major NATO nation gets properly involved, the war goes nuclear very soon after

Asafum,

Mutually assured destruction is pretty much why no one will ever actually go through with that if their target also has nukes or is protected by a country that has them. It’s one of the major reasons no country that has nukes wants to disarm.

NoIWontPickaName,

Ask Libya and Ukraine how that worked out

FlyingSquid,
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Sorry… do you think Libya with nuclear weapons under Gaddafi would have been a good idea?

52fighters,

Gaddafi would still be alive. Dictators now need nuclear weapons to assure survival. Look for the world to get real crazy real fast.

FlyingSquid,
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There are 57 dictatorships in the world. Almost none of them have nuclear weapons.

planetrulers.com/current-dictators/

52fighters,

You realize Muammar Gaddafi only died 12 years ago and Russia only invaded Ukraine two years ago? Nuclear weapon programs take at least that long to develop. Ukraine and Libya had programs (Ukraine actually had weapons) and abandoned them, much to their demise. If they kept their programs, they wouldn’t have had these problems.

FlyingSquid,
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Okay, but that’s not what you said before. You claimed, and as I pasted: “Dictators now need nuclear weapons to assure survival.”

Please explain how the vast majority of dictatorships are surviving without them. Or do all 57 have nuclear weapons?

52fighters,

Many of them will lack the lasting power of North Korea.

FlyingSquid,
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Please provide evidence for this claim. An age of dictatorships chart will do.

You aren’t just making that up, right? You do have the data, don’t you?

52fighters,

The key word in my comment is “will.” That’s a prediction. You can ping me in 25 years to see if this works out. In the mean time, people are taking this prediction seriously (it isn’t only my prediction) when discussing global politics.

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