QuazarOmega

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QuazarOmega,

Puce Screen of Panic

That’s class

QuazarOmega,

DivestOS on my tablet

Cool, there are supported tablets now?

QuazarOmega,

Oh I thought that was only Artix, what does CachyOS use?

QuazarOmega,

If the client (which encrypts the data in for an E2EE service) is open source and has also been audited by third parties than there’s little reason to do so

QuazarOmega,

I guess so, it doesn’t hurt if you don’t mind the inconvenience

QuazarOmega,

TL;DR Don’t (unless your needs are really basic or you really don’t want to layer more packages)

Distrobox ftw, its website is pretty good to find all its features and it has a neat GUI BoxBuddy too! And also the generic Pods can be useful for more advanced needs.

Extra tip: if you have more time to spend on learning, I think Nix Home Manager will actually be the better solution in the long run, no need to worry about containers breaking in some way after system updates with scattered solutions that are hard to understand and remember, also you get to bring your configuration anywhere

QuazarOmega,

Love the irony, but this is painting a little too good a picture

Every update is just… meh. Smooth, new, fresh system not affected by my stupid tweaking and breaking

Most times yes, but major updates usually cause some trouble, like from 39 to 40, you couldn’t do it without uninstalling the codecs for Firefox. Firefox that is installed by default as an RPM, because the Flatpak Firefox doesn’t yet have 100% compatibility with all the features that work with the RPM, so as a user you’re pretty much led to get yourself stuck in this hole, not too difficult to fix in the end, but still a pain to find out and fix.

Everything else is 100% true! And I think it will be always hard to beat as an implementation of immutability (second place only to NixOS imo), A/B partitioning doesn’t hold a candle to OSTree

QuazarOmega,

Doesn’t Bazzite have the base image modified to have the codecs included already? I think that’s probably why you didn’t experience any disruption there

  • Full hardware accelerated codec support for H264 decoding.

link: github.com/ublue-os/bazzite/?tab=readme-ov-file#a…

QuazarOmega,

Is that so? From the issue I read there was no way around it because the two images are fundamentally incompatible once you layer that package, you had to remove the layered package, it seemed from the discussion that they might have “fixed” the base image at some point as a pull request was opened on Pagure. I waited a bit for it to go upstream, but nothing happened for a long time and just went thorugh with the manual intervention, and actually, now that I check it again, the maintainer siosm commented that they can’t accept the PR

QuazarOmega,

You use the AUR because you want more packages.
I use the AUR because I believe in humanity.
We are NOT the same.

QuazarOmega,

Outfits? What does it mean in this context?

QuazarOmega,

Ahh, thank you

Are we going to see arch based immutable distros in the near future?

Hi there folks, I’m still learning about Linux and have yet to dip my toes properly in any arch based distro. Have for the moment fallen in love with the immutable distros based on Universal Blue project. However I do want to learn about what arch has to offer to and plan on installing default arch when I have time. But have...

QuazarOmega,

Both features are important IMO, reproducibility is for being able to define certain aspects of your machine in a way that you can nuke it and, as long as you have its configuration (declarative for Nix, other implementations might have it as imperative), bring it back just how it was set up, without differences or breakages; while immutability is for being always confident that whatever* you do to your machine, you won’t be able to break it because the root, which holds the functioning core of your system, can’t be messed around with, NixOS has both I believe.

*not really “whatever”, because there are still some ways to break, but you have to be very deliberate in doing it (think rm -rf /*), but in normal operation you won’t just somehow install something or upgrade your packages and be left with an unusable system

QuazarOmega,

I think ublue is the best incarnation of this style of “tweak forks”, it meaningfully expands on the base, but still remains compatible with the original since you can just do a rebase from one of the original Fedora Atomic spins… which wouldn’t have been possible without OSTree, so thanks, Fedora devs :)

QuazarOmega,

How about you let me save the application data for myself and keep it secure on my equipment first, Google? Uff, going through the salvaging process of the data on my near-broken phone is being the most excruciating thing I’ve done recently because they just won’t let you access and save it unless you rely on their cloud… which I might eventually just do, just wished it’d at least be a 100% safe way to get everything, but no, they had to put the decision to be backed up into the applications’ hands ;-;

QuazarOmega,

I lowkey want this, it’s like the system equivalent of the screen cat (btw does that exist but with Wayland support?)

QuazarOmega,

Seems it’s been reported github.com/MHNightCat/superfile/issues/96a, and the PR to fix it looks like it was merged, so you should be able to run it soon

QuazarOmega,

I strive for this kind of based level

QuazarOmega,

Even funnier when it’s their own platform and it has been missing the feature to disable them for so long afaik

QuazarOmega,

What’s the output of rpm-ostree status --verbose? That might give a bit more insight on what’s going on.

Also regarding this:

Use --allow-inactive to explicitly require it.

It seems to suggest that somehow nvtop is already in your base layer, since the manual says this:

–allow-inactive to allow requests for packages that are already in the base layer.

I don’t know how that could have happened though

QuazarOmega,

Ohh, so you were using ublue! Good that everything’s clear now

That’s not documented anywhere

True, seems like it’s not really documented atm (understandable with such a fresh project).
I was able to find the source here: github.com/ublue-os/beyond/blob/…/packages.json#L…

QuazarOmega,

Help, why does this picture feel like it’s ever so slightly tilted?

QuazarOmega,

Yes, I guess it’s just an illusion, zoomed too before to check, but after zooming out, I still see it wrong lol

Comments no longer visible with youtube frontends?

Are comments no longer visible for anyone else using the youtube frontends? I can no longer see comments with either invidious, piped, or viewtube, and I’ve tried several instances of each. With invidious there’s just nothing there below the video description. With viewtube I get an error message. And with piped I see...

QuazarOmega,

Bro said The last one is kind of funny actually, and better than most comments anyway. 💀

QuazarOmega,

I’m also curious about getting Nix on non NixOS, are there any simple example home manager configurations to look at so that I can easily start?

QuazarOmega, (edited )

Nice, thanks!
I guess it’s a kind of “Easy start” and “Nix”, name a more iconic duo situation XD

QuazarOmega,

I’ll try asap!

Good luck on your guide, I think it can be handy

QuazarOmega,

Finally got to it and I AM SO GIDDY RIGHT NOW!!!
I looked at your files to know what I should have expected, then, since I’m on Silverblue, I followed this guide julianhofer.eu/blog/01-silverblue-nix/ coupled with with Home Manager’s Flake manual and finished off with installing Devbox (through Home Manager, which isn’t listed as one of the official installation options for some reason), made a Python environment with it and… it’s all looking good!
Declarative workflow, here I come 🤩 (and I can soon shelve all those rusty distroboxes that don’t start anymore because Podman/Distrobox weirdnesses which have been all to frequent in my usage, yikes)

Thanks again! I probably wouldn’t have taken the plunge so soon without your comment

QuazarOmega,

Actually I hadn’t heard about nix develop, I came across Devbox pretty randomly

useless backstoryI remembered that I once saw a website Zero to Nix (on which I made a silly joke in the past on Reddit, but for the life of me can’t seem to find so it’s probably deleted) that said it would help learn the concepts of Nix, so I opened it just in case, then i saw that there was this FlakeHub banner on top that piqued my curiosity, I was like, is this a nod to Flathub: zero to nix landing pageThen I saw this Fleek thing that sounded like Home Manager but more user friendly (?) fleek in the wildThen I saw that it was deprecated so I was back to Home Manager(which in the end was easy enough anyway), but first I checked out their website that mentioned this Devbox thing devbox in the wilder wildBetween that and the rest, for the whole journey (that took surprisingly little time) I constantly jumped around from one website to another to piece together information and verify that it was accurate and up to date, to avoid messing up at least this one thing 😵‍💫

So, after I saw it, I went to look into it more and found that it’s like a sort of nix shell for who is used to NPM and the like and I immediately wanted to try it out, because it just sounded like less mental burden then learning yet another thing, which was devenv as far as I got, which I found through these Reddit and Hacker News discussions.
So for now I feel right at ~ home with it.
In your experience, do you think using nix develop would slim things down without sacrificing too much comfort?

QuazarOmega, (edited )

I’m honestly not sure how useful that flakehub

Me neither, I completely skipped over it, but it sounds interesting, maybe it wouldn’t be as wonky as the AUR since it’s Nix at least, idk

with barely no nix language knowledge I was able to roughly understand what’s going on

That’s actually great! Maybe I’ll try those as well, since sooner or later I’ll have to learn the Nix language anyways and keeping a purer system is always a good thing if possible.

Good luck with devbox btw

edited: how tf did I end up ordering the text like that?

QuazarOmega,

It sounds like it makes sense, but I’m not knowledgeable enough yet, I just found this as a maybe explanation flakehub.com/docs/faq#flake-versions I’d have to dig more in the rest of the ecosystem

I think a sensible progression is: nix + home-manager -> flakes -> develop -> nixOS

I can already see a good meme shaping up here, and I’m all for it XD
I really agree it might be the easiest way in, I’m already standing on the shoulders of giants having waited so long to start, so I guess I was lucky enough to skip the official docs

QuazarOmega,

lmaoo, please post that on !linuxmemes too!

QuazarOmega,

You use tabs as tabs,
I use tabs as bookmarks.
We are not the same.

QuazarOmega,

you better not use bookmarks for anything else

I don’t get it, instead of what?

QuazarOmega,

Oh I see, that’s true! Firefox bookmarks are a bit suboptimal in my experience too, for me it’s because they don’t have a description field so it’s harder to search for them (unless you put the text in the title, but all these kludges are annoying)

QuazarOmega,

Sad to see such an established project split up

QuazarOmega,

I like your gnu GNU mug

QuazarOmega,

Super cool mom, my dad Stallman will only let me buy from www.freeasinfreedomsoftware.org

QuazarOmega,

Cool, but is copy path to file a thing yet?

QuazarOmega,

Ranger is amazing, I never thought to use it as my default file manager

QuazarOmega,

I should try that thanks!
Though I still believe that UX would benefit from such a button, there’s a Nautilus extension for it as well chr314/nautilus-copy-path, I think it deserves to be native

QuazarOmega,

This Worker? That’s interesting, though it’s nit really to my taste

QuazarOmega,

opting to not lock the source code of his work like another guy we know well…

I’m out of the loop, who are you referring to?

QuazarOmega,

Ahh, I thought it was somebody else you were talking about since DOS was never open source

QuazarOmega,

Interesting, so they had an open source product back then?

QuazarOmega,

Oh ok, makes sense.
Funnily enough, it seems they decided to make it open source about 40 years later

QuazarOmega,

Books be like:

Well-arranged word salad makes me feel!

QuazarOmega,

Don’t be discouraged, doing something from scratch is always a great learning opportunity and even if this isn’t the first iteration of such a tool there is room improvement, for instance, I don’t think any of the tools that allow creation .desktop shortcuts interface with any context menu as yours would do in the future, so that could be a cool feature to show off!

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