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darkfiremp3, to technology in Apple exec defends 8GB $1,599 MacBook Pro, claims it's like 16GB on a PC

It makes it not feel like a premium device

30p87,

Because it’s not

Stormyfemme,

Honestly I was considering getting one because I could use a nice laptop to do stuff on but 8GB is inexcusably bad so yeah pass

Erdrick, to technology in Apple exec defends 8GB $1,599 MacBook Pro, claims it's like 16GB on a PC

I looked at a few Lenovo and MS laptops to see what they are charging to jumps from 8 to 16 GB.
They are very close to what Apple charges.
So, they are ALL ripping us off!

zod000,

I just got a laptop with 64GB of DDR5 ram for $870 or so from HP, so I wouldn’t take these specific examples you found as gospel.

donuts, to technology in Apple exec defends 8GB $1,599 MacBook Pro, claims it's like 16GB on a PC

Introducing the new Apple MagicRAM(c)(tm)!

bedrooms, to technology in Apple exec defends 8GB $1,599 MacBook Pro, claims it's like 16GB on a PC

Alright! Opens 20 Electron apps on my 32GB mac

jcrm, to technology in Apple exec defends 8GB $1,599 MacBook Pro, claims it's like 16GB on a PC

In my entirely anecdotal experience, MacOS is significantly better at RAM management than Windows. But it's still a $1,600 USD computer, and 16GB of RAM costs nearly nothing, it's just classic Apple greed.

WashedOver,
@WashedOver@lemmy.ca avatar

I’m also under the impression the M powered books are much better at thermo management and battery usage over PC versions?

anlumo,

ARM chips are generally better at that.

sane,
@sane@feddit.de avatar

Really hoping Snapdragon Oryon can be the same boon for Windows/Linux that Apple’s M CPUs were for Mac

realharo,

How did you measure this?

YouMayBeOntoSomethin,

Sounds like “feelz” measuring to me

jcrm,

The main metric has been with Adobe apps. 2017 Macs with 8GB of RAM are still able to run Premiere and a few others things smoothly simultaneously. Windows machines with the same config were crashing constantly and kept going.

But I'm still not defending Apple here. It's been 6 years, and their base level MacBook still ships with the same amount of RAM.

ultratiem,
@ultratiem@lemmy.ca avatar

It’s not anecdotal in the least. It’s been widely tested. There’s a reason an M1 Mac mini with 8GB of RAM can load and fully support over 100 tracks in Logic Pro. The previous Intel machines would buckle with just a few.

ARM is not comparable to x86-64. The former is totally unified, the latter totally modular.

Honytawk,

I can load even more tracks with 0 RAM on Windows.

Just one big page file.

NightOwl, to technology in Apple exec defends 8GB $1,599 MacBook Pro, claims it's like 16GB on a PC

But it’s $1600 Apple. Not the cheapest Mac book air.

mateomaui, to technology in Apple exec defends 8GB $1,599 MacBook Pro, claims it's like 16GB on a PC

Emulators disagree.

kbal, to technology in Apple exec defends 8GB $1,599 MacBook Pro, claims it's like 16GB on a PC
@kbal@fedia.io avatar

With Apple's new iBits™ the 0s are so much rounder and the 1s are so smooth and shiny that they're worth at least twice as much as regular bits.

intensely_human,

I can’t wait for my iBits. Also the fact that iBytes have ten iBits is revolutionary. 25% more computing power in each iByte!

ultratiem,
@ultratiem@lemmy.ca avatar

It’s actually about the bandwidth: eclecticlight.co/…/how-unified-memory-blows-the-s…

The bandwidth provided by unified memory is just unparalleled because of the tightly integrated components found on Apple Silicon.

Empricorn,

“Unparalleled”, huh? So I’m sure gamers have fully embraced Apple hardware because it’s objectively better, correct? You surely have links to benchmarks of Apple devices beating the pants off PCs… Right??

djsaskdja, to technology in Apple exec defends 8GB $1,599 MacBook Pro, claims it's like 16GB on a PC

Tell that to Google Chrome

SamXavia, to technology in Apple exec defends 8GB $1,599 MacBook Pro, claims it's like 16GB on a PC
@SamXavia@kbin.run avatar

Even if it was like 16GB on a PC still not worth $1.6k

Rocketpoweredgorilla,
@Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca avatar

Especially when 16g is something like $50.

Tak,
@Tak@lemmy.ml avatar

At consumer prices. There’s no way Apple doesn’t pay wholesale rates for memory.

TonyTonyChopper,

they have the memory controllers built into their processors now. So adding memory is even cheaper, it just takes the modules themselves

IrritableOcelot, to technology in Ireland plans build of datacenter powered by fuel cells

Calling this a green move is somewhat misleading. I think the author pretty much read the marketing copy on Bloom’s website, which doesn’t present the full picture.

tl;dr: This is a great step towards building infrastructure which can bridge the gap between fossil and renewable fuels, but as the technology stands this currently cannot be a renewably-fuelled system. This is important but the article buries the lede as to why: it helps to smooth our transition to renewable hydrogen when it becomes available.

Bloom bills their cells as “low or no CO”, which is kind of true. I’m going to focus on the effects on CO2 emissions here, but Bloom also talks about reducing water consumption and particulate emissions, which are very valid benefits. The article states that the data center will be powered by natural gas, with the hope of transitioning to hydrogen in the future, so let’s talk briefly about how fuel cells interact with natural gas.

Solid oxide fuel cells perform internal steam reformation of natural gas (DOE source), where if air is used as the oxygen source, methane and water are converted to H2 and carbon monoxide (DOE source). Yes, that does decrease the amount of CO2 produced, but CO is an objectively worse byproduct. The only realistic thing they can turn it into is CO2 via a water-gas shift reaction (which is standard for methane reformation), so a fuel cell still produces one CO2 per methane oxidized. These do decrease CO2 emissions, but only because they also slightly reduce the amount of methane which must be consumed to generate a certain amount of electrical energy, not due to a fundamental difference in how they process carbon.

Now, moving to hydrogen is a great goal, and that flexibility in fuel is the real progress story here. However, if they’re talking about moving to hydrogen in the near future, the only technique currently capable of generating H2 on an industrial scale is the same steam-reformation process which is happening in the fuel cells when they operate on natural gas. Unfortunately, we simply do not have any renewable methods for making hydrogen currently (98% of all hydrogen produced in the world is via coal gasification or steam-reformation of methane).

A small caveat to this is that if the data center was able to source biogas from a fermentor, this would help in at least closing our carbon cycle, i.e. only recycling carbon which is already in the carbon cycle.

Don’t get me wrong, building this datacenter with fuel cells is a worthwhile thing to do, but not for the reasons that this article (or the Bloom website) suggests. It does not substantially reduce CO2 emissions, even if it is run on hydrogen. However, the important thing that it does do is reduce the barrier for switching to green hydrogen when it becomes available, which is super important! The biggest issue when renewable hydrogen becomes practical will be the infrastructural expense of transitioning to an entirely new fuel source, and we’re currently not prepared for that transition–this is a step in the right direction.

Thanks for coming to my TED rant! Hope this is helpful or interesting to y’all.

Idirian, to technology in Apple slams Android as a 'massive tracking device' in internal slides revealed in Google antitrust battle

Will, they would, wouldn’t they. Tossers.

bedrooms, (edited ) to technology in Apple slams Android as a 'massive tracking device' in internal slides revealed in Google antitrust battle

I guess what that slide meant was not what the author thought.

Well, yes, Android is a "massive tracking device", but Google Search is not the culprit. Android apps were able to collect user data easily because they didn't have to ask for users' permission (and even today, by using an old Android API iirc).

So, no, I don't trust Apple, but that slide is probably irrelevant.

chrismit3s,

and even today, by using an old Android API iirc

Nope, the required API to have your app in the Playstore constantly rises, and if you don’t comply you get kicked. The current API version is something around 26, and definitely has the permissions model integrated.

CalicoJack,

They’re also adding an API version check on devices, which will affect old apps that have gotten around the store checks. Only affects devices that can upgrade to 14, but it’s a solid step.

bedrooms,

Yeah, but you can distribute your app outside and the official store then

SirToxicAvenger, to technology in Apple slams Android as a 'massive tracking device' in internal slides revealed in Google antitrust battle

eh, anything Apple says about direct competition is a lie. every time

zzzzz,

Well, in this case, it is a lie of omission. It is true that Android devices are massive trackers. But, so are Apple devices.

ultra,

Depends which Android devices. I don’t have any unlatched Google apps in my phone

zzzzz,

True. Me too. The fact that you can degoogle some Android phones while you cannot de-apple iphones makes the lie of omission particularly vicious.

mp3, (edited ) to technology in Apple slams Android as a 'massive tracking device' in internal slides revealed in Google antitrust battle
@mp3@lemmy.ca avatar

Yet Apple gladly takes billions from Google so that they remain the default search engine.

erwan,

Yes it’s all business.

Partnership team finds the biggest bidder for the default search.

Marketing teams find the best argument against their biggest competitor.

At no point anyone is pondering if Google is “good” or “bad” because companies typically don’t care.

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