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Asudox, to privacy in Chat control: Politicians, industry raise alarm over EU’s unprecedented messenger surveillance plans
@Asudox@lemmy.world avatar

This bullshit again. I thought this was rejected or put on hold a few months ago?

doodledup, (edited )

It was postponed yesterday. My post is from earlier before it was announced that it was postponed. And the article I posted was from that day I posted it.

What you’re probably referring to was the earlier attempt to get this through. This was years ago actually. They refined the bill and tried again this year. This is what this is.

possiblylinux127, to privacy in Chat control vote postponed: Huge success in defense of digital privacy of correspondence!

Honestly that was a headline that I expected to see. It is a small victory but how long before it gets reintroduced? They will continue to push until everyone has moved on and it passes unnoticed. Or they might do what the US does and put it into a “must pass” infrastructure bill that gets voted on at 3am to avoid the press

neumast, to world in Chat control vote postponed

Now get rid of it all together!

ripcord, to world in Chat control vote postponed
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

Good.

InFerNo, to privacy in Chat control: Politicians, industry raise alarm over EU’s unprecedented messenger surveillance plans

One of the proposals was to not touch the e2e, but rather scan whatever you upload before it gets encrypted. You should be able to opt out, but in that case be unable to upload any files.

A counter argument to this specific proposal was that it would exclude people from social interactions.

LoveSausage, (edited ) to privacy in Chat control vote postponed: Huge success in defense of digital privacy of correspondence!

I kind of followed Ylva Johansson on this issue and more. I am 100 % sure that what she was saying and what she belived is completely different. She is smart. She was also completely destroyed when confronted with IT security people. She is really in the pocket. Anyryone with some opsec knowledge knows it is nothing about child porn, there are millions of ways to distribute that shit either way

LoveSausage, (edited )

Do see this if you got a Swedish vpn connection , sorry could not find it elsewhere svtplay.se/…/eu-kommissionaren-ylva-johansson?id=…Nikka system also completely destroyed her arguments , cant find it right now

eveninghere, to privacy in Chat control vote postponed: Huge success in defense of digital privacy of correspondence!

Great, but wasn’t it the case that majority in the EC supported it? Did it suddenly become a minority position?

possiblylinux127,

When they realized it was insane. Congratulations! Democracy isn’t dead

delirious_owl, to privacy in Chat control vote postponed: Huge success in defense of digital privacy of correspondence!
@delirious_owl@discuss.online avatar

Success means passing legislation affirming digital rights in a way that makes such surveillance legislation illegal.

This wasn’t a win, it was a small setback.

jmcs,

That’s the current status quo. New legislation can always override old legislation. The only way to fully prevent these proposals would be to enshrine the right to encryption in a new EU treaty (which requires unanimity) and since the national governments are the ones pushing for this while the European Parliament keeps telling to fuck off, it’s not going to happen.

rambling_lunatic,

It’s success. Not huge success, but success. It maintains a mediocre status quo in the face of the possibility of it worsening.

sunzu, (edited ) to privacy in Chat control vote postponed: Huge success in defense of digital privacy of correspondence!

They gonna try again... Don't celebrate. They will like slip in during the next 911 bullshit circle jerk, when normies are most likely to sell their own child for "security" like boomers did

trashxeos,

Yep, perfectly acceptable to be happy now, but do not let your guard down. The USA has done the same shit with trying to end civilian access to true encryption how many times?

sunzu,

According to them... Not enough, until they get it done

possiblylinux127,

Time for another infrastructure bill

jlow,

Or during some soccer/football event …

KingThrillgore,
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

Euro 2024 is in a few weeks.

helenslunch,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

You can celebrate a small victory and still remain vigilant.

makeasnek, to privacy in 42 key points of the secret #EUGoingDark surveillance plan for the new EU Commission
@makeasnek@lemmy.ml avatar

Let your MEP know their voters care about privacy. These efforts have been defeated before, it just requires vigilance. Your letter can be as simple as “I care about privacy”. That’s all you have to write.

www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/home

makeasnek, to privacy in 42 key points of the secret #EUGoingDark surveillance plan for the new EU Commission
@makeasnek@lemmy.ml avatar

Let your MEP know their voters care about privacy. These efforts have been defeated before, it just requires vigilance. Your letter can be as simple as “I care about privacy”. That’s all you have to write.

www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/home

Titou, to privacy in 42 key points of the secret #EUGoingDark surveillance plan for the new EU Commission
@Titou@sh.itjust.works avatar

Guess we all gonna self-encrypt all of our communications

adamnejm,
@adamnejm@programming.dev avatar

2029: EU proposes to criminalize the use of mathematics.

haui_lemmy,

Education has always been the enemy of autocracy. Depriving people of it is a perfectly effective way to make them gullable and easily swayable by rhetoric.

Of course those in power (0.1%) dont want anyone to come up with alternatives to their supreme reign. Thats why, every push for less education, making it less affordable and paywalling knowledge should be condemned as a thinly veiled attempt at securing their infinite authority. Their kids get the education they need, ours wont.

I always envision us watering our fields with mountain dew in that situation.

WhatAmLemmy, to privacy in 42 key points of the secret #EUGoingDark surveillance plan for the new EU Commission

Great job backdooring the entire EU, EU oligarchs. This is so recklessly dangerous to national, regional, and global security that efforts to implement something so authoritarian and anti-democratic should be considered both treason and a crime against humanity; worthy of the Hague and life in prison.

This is the kind of shit Putin or Xi would try to pass if they corrupted the EU’s institutions.

haui_lemmy,

Agree 100%! Also: Please be the change you want to see and publish a list of these traitors to humanity in your comments.

We need to name and shame, only then will people remember the name when in the voting booth.

We can make these people radioactive by pulling at their thread until they are openly unveiled for their ties to whatever nefarious organizations they belong to.

NGC2346, to privacy in 42 key points of the secret #EUGoingDark surveillance plan for the new EU Commission

This simply won’t work and the implications and risks are too great to allow such a blasphemy. If a backdoor is built in every device, how do you guarantee the security ? This means anyone with enough skills and knowledge can abuse these types of backdoors.

This would set a very dangerous and dystopian precedent.

haui_lemmy,

Thats only the „what if“. You always have to entertain the thought that your country gets taken over by non democratic forces. That then? They dont need any „what ifs“ they are legally allowed to spy on us and enabled by our own tech then. Who had genocide on steroids for 2025?

sintrenton,

Don’t assume that the European commissioners and their staffs know what they are doing or understand these matters. The depth of their collected knowledge could easily be documented in a single Powerpoint. And with not too many slides. And Ylva Johansson is well known for being both ignorant and utterly manipulated by lobbyists.

Deckweiss, to privacy in 42 key points of the secret #EUGoingDark surveillance plan for the new EU Commission

Yeah, time to vote for Pirates.

PiratPartiet,

The Swedish Pirates welcome you aboard the European Pirate Ship! 🏴‍☠️💜🇸🇪

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