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Vendetta9076, to privacy in Encrypted services Apple, Proton and Wire helped Spanish police identify activist | TechCrunch
@Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works avatar

“Encrypted”

Squeak,

Yes. They never gave away content of emails, because they couldn’t even if they wanted to. It’s encrypted.

They gave the recovery email for the account to the authorities, which was an iCloud account tied to the user’s real name.

Vendetta9076,
@Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works avatar

I know you’re correct about proton. Didn’t realize they were all like that.

cyrus,
@cyrus@sopuli.xyz avatar

Proton and Wire didn’t share any decrypted ciphertexts, Wire shared a ProtonMail address and Proton an iCloud Address that they had set as a recovery method.

Personal info like where they live came from Apple.

Vendetta9076,
@Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works avatar

I know wire and proton are encrypted. Apple services certainly aren’t though.

panicnow,

Most Apple services can be encrypted including iCloud. Basically email and calendaring are not covered.

support.apple.com/en-us/102651#advanced

If you set it up as “advanced” then only you hold the recovery keys.

helenslunch,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

A lot of them are, actually

Railcar8095,

They didn’t require any encrypted data. Apple has your name and payment details unencrypted, as they need them to charge you.

halm, to technology in Twitter co-founder Biz Stone joins board of Mastodon's new US nonprofit | TechCrunch
@halm@leminal.space avatar

Well, fuck. It was fun while it lasted.

Kichae,

There are any number of Mastodon forks out there. Misskey and its forks are really good. Pleroma and Akkoma are good, and so is Friendica.

Mastodon has always been an exercise in attention and influence seeking for Gargon. The rest of us don’t need him or it. It’s just a trademark.

LibertyLizard, to technology in Twitter co-founder Biz Stone joins board of Mastodon's new US nonprofit | TechCrunch

I would like to do more research on alternative non-profit governance structures. In my experience, non-profit boards seem to be just another mechanism by which the wealthy control decision-making in society. However, I don’t know what kind of structure would be better.

koncertejo,

Workers co-op

LibertyLizard,

I think workers coops are definitely better than private ownership but it seems like there should also be some involvement of the broader community being served (or negatively impacted in some cases) in the case of non-profits.

Danterious,
LibertyLizard,

Love me some Anark—I did watch this but I don’t remember seeing much detail on how community governance works. Is it in there and I missed it?

Danterious,

From what I understood after I watched it and looked into it a bit more is that individuals have roles within the organization and are able to decide their own actions on how to fulfill that role. The actions are informed by the collective understanding of their goals and norms that are formed during their frequent meetings (which are very different in vibes from regular corporate meetings).

This is how I understood it works for most decisions but there a few decisions that fall back on voting which after the vote occurs the individuals are expected to carry out whatever was voted on.

So like it says in the video it is a largely informal structure but one that seems to work very well.

jarfil,

Workers coops tend to fall apart when they’re made of non business savvy workers who just want to do their job. They tend to delegate the business “chores” onto someone more savvy… who ends up simply stealing from them.

LibertyLizard,

Source?

jarfil,

Primary.

LibertyLizard,

So you don’t have one then? I’ve seen plenty of research on worker coops, and I’ve never seen any that supports this idea. Without any evidence I’m left to conclude that this is just capitalist apologia.

jarfil,

I have first-hand experience, actually too much of it. Feel free to conclude anything, you can even set up a worker coop and get your own data; be the change you want in the world, and all that.

LibertyLizard,

So anecdotal? Have you worked in a worker’s coop? It’s hard to see how some workers taking advantage of others would be worse than the owner taking advantage of them but if you have seen it maybe you can explain how.

jarfil,

I’ve had family fund one, worked for some as a contractor, and had friends work for some more. They’re all bankrupt now, and all of them for the same reason I’ve already explained.

It’s worse than working for someone else, because they’re funded by the workers themselves. When a worker’s coop goes down, workers not only lose their jobs, but also all the capital they’ve put into it. Some fall into a sunken cost fallacy, try to refloat it… but without fixing the fundamental problem of having owners (workers) who don’t care about the business, they eventually lose even more capital, often get in debt, and also lose their jobs.

When an owner takes advantage of a worker, at least the worker can look for another job without having to pay for the privilege.

Coops work well when members are business-savvy, and when they have a very limited scope with minimal capital investment, allowing members to leave at any time with minimal loss.

LibertyLizard,

Ok, this doesn’t seem to be the overall picture in the economic literature but thanks for sharing your experience. Given that, I can see why you hold those views.

jarfil,

I don’t know about literature, but both the lawyers and notaries involved, warned everyone of the risks. I was also an idealist and skeptical of their advice at the time… then spent several years trying, to no avail, to make people understand what was at stake… until the warnings became reality… and again, and again, and again.

If it’s not in the literature, then it should be.

grrgyle,

So the employees who are employed by donations, or all contributors? Not trying to throw a wrench in your suggestion, just wondering what this would look like for masto

downpunxx, to technology in Twitter co-founder Biz Stone joins board of Mastodon's new US nonprofit | TechCrunch

Biz Stone, who allowed Nazis to run rampant on Twitter, so he could monetize it and sell it to Elon Musk? That motherfucker? Man, Mastodon first selling out to META in a closed door non disclosure pow wow, now this. The Mastodon folks wanna get paid. Alas, and so it goes.........

HeartyBeast,
@HeartyBeast@kbin.social avatar

Were Nazis allowed to deliberately ‘run rampant’ on Twitter pre-Elon? That’s a hot take.

Musk’s buying Twitter had nothing to do with it being ‘monetised’ as far as I see. Musk just offered such a stupidly large amount that the board had to say ‘OK, sure.’

halm,
@halm@leminal.space avatar

It’s definitely true that Twitter consistently failed to raise the expected profit for stockholders, which is probably why they appreciated the wild overshot that Musk offered. I sort of appreciated that the company could stay so uncommercial for as long as it did, running only on hype.

Did Nazis use to “run rampant” on there before? Maybe not straight up, clear cut Nazis but there were some people who really dogwhistled in that direction going way back.

Corgana,
@Corgana@startrek.website avatar

They absolutely were, without question. That said, there’s nothing this guy can do to make that happen on Mastodon instances he doesn’t own.

HeartyBeast,
@HeartyBeast@kbin.social avatar

Just a quick reminder that Twitter was banning 10s of thousands of accounts of extremists that breached its terms of service, including a certain ex president of the US. It was imperfect, but ‘running rampant’ is a stretch

Corgana,
@Corgana@startrek.website avatar

It seems like we agree on the facts, and I certainly won’t disagree that it’s worse now, but I would characterize Twitter’s (pre-Musk) response to extremism as “measured, lacking and lethargic”, before I would use “imperfect”, which still implies “pretty good” and from my perceptive it was not good enough to make me want to use it. I think maybe we just have a different tolerance for hate speech.

Cube6392,
@Cube6392@beehaw.org avatar

How many times did Trump show his true colors before getting banned? Twitter’s moderation policies were better pre-Musk but they were far FAR from acceptable.

KingThrillgore, to technology in Twitter co-founder Biz Stone joins board of Mastodon's new US nonprofit | TechCrunch
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

I think this can be both a benefit and a risk, since Mastodon is still what it is and won’t change because of a board. Biz could provide Eugen a lot of insight, but by the same risk, Eugen may want out and turn Masto profitable.

WatDabney, to technology in Twitter co-founder Biz Stone joins board of Mastodon's new US nonprofit | TechCrunch

So… by my count, the board of directors actually outnumber the employees.

At a “non-profit” (until that was revoked) company that gets most of its funding through Patreon.

Years from now (and at this rate, not very many of them), when people wonder how it was that such a promising venture that championed decentralization turned into just another enshittified megacorporation squatting over a piece of internet real estate and extracting rent to pay obscene salaries to a handful of executives - this is how. We’re watching as the foundation is being laid, right now.

onlinepersona,

This is the enshittification fast-track, it feels like.

Anti Commercial-AI license

Corgana,
@Corgana@startrek.website avatar

How so?

drwho,
@drwho@beehaw.org avatar

For non-profits (like 501©(3)'s) that’s not unusual. Non-profits are more like specialized tools for the board of directors than like companies.

Source: First ten years of my career were at non-profits.

jarfil,

That’s an abuse of non-profits for financial engineering. They’re intended to work exactly like companies, except without a monetary profit for shareholders.

Source: Got plenty of blank stares when I tried to set up a non-profit, “you’re not yet big enough to think about tax evasion”, they’d keep telling me 😒

drwho,
@drwho@beehaw.org avatar

Them’s who has the gold, makes the rules.

atocci,

It's not a good ratio, but assuming they managed to fill the three developer positions they were intending to when this interview was given last year and no one has left since then, that's 5 full time employees to 5 board members. I can't find more up-to-date numbers on the employee count unfortunately.

grrgyle,

Is the board paid? I thought it was a volunteer position, where you meet based on a certain cadence and vote on enterprise matters.

I’m also quite wary of corp/venture/capitalist influence on masto/fedi/décentralisation.

WatDabney,

I would presume it’s not paid yet (though the CEO certainly is). That phase of the operation comes later.

For the moment, they’re working to solidify as much control as possible of as much of the fediverse as possible, which control will allow them to gatekeep it, monetize it, extract rent from it and inevitably enshittify it. That, so it’s hoped, will be the phase during which their investment now will pay off.

Kichae, to technology in Twitter co-founder Biz Stone joins board of Mastodon's new US nonprofit | TechCrunch

This isn’t both concerning and also totally in line with every move Gargon’s made along the way. Nope nope nope!

sexy_peach,

I don’t necessarily agree that this is concerning. I never thought of gargron of making good moves either though.

Zerush, to privacy in European police chiefs target E2EE in latest demand for 'lawful access'
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

In the EU the law always permits to access the user data and can force the network owner to give this data, if he had accss to these, normally not possible with encrypted datas. But anyway the law only can force the webowner or the ISP to give the user data only with a court order in a crime investigation. Without this, the big middle finger. But I think that it isn’t needed in Fakebook, X, etc, probably for these is enough a phone call (US laws)

shortwavesurfer, to privacy in European police chiefs target E2EE in latest demand for 'lawful access'

I swear, I’m just gonna laugh at these clowns, honestly, and just PGP encrypt my messages that they can intercept in plain text. So fuck them. I don’t actually think they will win, but even if they did, it will only hurt law abiding people and will make no a difference to non-law abiding people.

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

Give it a few years and EU will pass some laws to round up trouble makers like yourself.

shortwavesurfer,

Until the yoke of authority becomes so oppressive that everybody breaks the law, you are definitely right. They will target people. But once they get so oppressive that everybody is breaking the law and just ignoring them, then they lose all power. After all, they can’t arrest everybody. Where would they hold them and who would be in charge of them and who would make them their lattes and shit.

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

I’m sure people were saying the same thing in 1930s Germany.

shortwavesurfer,

Mmmm. Good point. Now there’s a frightening thought.

mihor,
  • Hold them?! * chuckles * No, sir, we will not hold you… Certainly not for longer than this crematorium takes to process you. 😵‍💫
possiblylinux127,

Trouble maker?

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

a person who doesn’t go with the flow

possiblylinux127,

The flow of mass surveillance?

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

yeah that’s very clearly the direction EU is headed in

possiblylinux127,

And that makes @shortwavesurfer a trouble maker

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

I swear, I’m just gonna laugh at these clowns, honestly, and just PGP encrypt my messages that they can intercept in plain text. So fuck them. I don’t actually think they will win, but even if they did, it will only hurt law abiding people and will make no a difference to non-law abiding people.

possiblylinux127,

Yeah I don’t get it. Maybe I’m missing something

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

Working around laws that ban E2E encryption will ultimately be seen as subversive and the legal system will go after people doing this, what part of this is unclear?

possiblylinux127,

It is just to break unjust laws. In the case of encryption you are protecting your self from an increasingly authoritarian government

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

And my point was that the increasingly authoritarian government will eventually go after people who are trying to protect themselves in this way.

possiblylinux127, (edited )

Of course they will why else would you break unjust laws.

We aren’t talking about something that directly harms another. We care talking about sending a private message and if that is against the law the laws should be openly broken.

bobbytables,

I am betting you they would try to intercept before you encrypt - like keylogging or something. Those fuckers.

possiblylinux127,

The doesn’t fix metadata

shortwavesurfer,

That’s definitely true.

NullGator,

Still better than nothing

possiblylinux127,

Its not better than better encrypted messaging apps

ShellMonkey, (edited ) to privacy in European police chiefs target E2EE in latest demand for 'lawful access'
@ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com avatar

And yet Europe gets held up as this bastion of liberty and personal rights…

Things like the GDPR are lovely and all, but then ask for the ability to have real-time access to private communications, pick a lane folks the rest of the world needs an example to live up to

Cheradenine,

Unfortunately they are the example, there isn’t anything better.

possiblylinux127,

What needs happen is that they make encryption popular by banning it

ShellMonkey,
@ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com avatar

The problem with that line of thought though, while people generally expect/wish for private communication, few actually care to understand the mechanics of it. Nor should they have to, that’s what security engineers are for, to do all that archaic setup so people can just use it without having to check certificates and protocols and all that stuff.

I’d say that if we could just have a simple to use, no-click pgp style system things would be good and we no longer have to keep nagging people to set things up the ‘right’ way, but so much of the hassle comes in by people using 100 different communication platforms.

Of course though: xkcd.com/927/

JimboDHimbo, to world in Hackers are threatening to publish a huge stolen sanctions and financial crimes watchlist | TechCrunch

I hate when threat actors threaten to release some shit I actually wanna see. Like, do it. Cowards.

The_Mastermind,

Yeah blud did all of it to tease us at the last minute . Not talking about this specifically but in general when hackers get source code of some real big propriety corpo and shit, i’ll be like release it my brother in christ .

4am, to games in Apex Legends hacker says game developers patched exploit used on streamers

Still not convinced he was able to RCE their machines through the games. Aren’t there clips of one of the streamers downloading someone posted in a link somewhere?

SoupBrick,

Situation investigation/rundown from a cyber security expert.

youtu.be/jHf6dkgXfVg?si=Sq2EzgRbRpqYhr2v

Kelly,

Thats a 3 hour video, any chance of a tldw?

SoupBrick,

Most likely people downloading malware.

RightHandOfIkaros, to games in Apex Legends hacker says game developers patched exploit used on streamers

I mean, a hacker will say its patched when it isn’t to keep using the exploit. So this isn’t exactly the most reliable source.

eRac,

They specifically used it to make major players blatantly cheat during a tournament so that it would be taken seriously and fixed quickly.

Krakaval,

You mean some players in a tournament were cheating unknowingly? Lmao

bob_lemon,

Not unknowingly. The hacker turned on obvious cheats (wallhack, aimbot) during their matches. Both players reacted immediately, clearly stating that they have hacks on in voice chat. One of them then left the match, the other player continued, but stopped shooting.

LazaroFilm, to retrogaming in Apple changes App Store rules to allow retro game emulators globally | TechCrunch
@LazaroFilm@lemmy.world avatar

The first emulator is here iGBA

darkphotonstudio, to foss in Proton picks up Standard Notes to deepen its pro-privacy portfolio

Anyone taking bets on how long before we find out some shitty thing Proton is doing that completely undermines it’s supposed privacy?

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