Bibi Is Choosing Stefanik and Trump. President Biden, Don’t Be Fooled.

If you are keeping score at home, you have surely noticed that the two most important defense officials in Benjamin Netanyahu’s war cabinet — Defense Minister Yoav Gallant and the former military chief of staff Benny Gantz — warned last week that Netanyahu is leading Israel into a disastrous abyss by refusing to present any plan for non-Hamas Palestinians to govern Gaza and appears to be contemplating a long-term Israeli military occupation of Gaza instead. Gantz said he would leave the government if there was no plan by June 8.

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“Netanyahu’s acquiescence to the extreme right, Smotrich and Ben-Gvir, has generally been seen as motivated out of his need to keep his coalition together and himself out of jail,” Friedman told me. “Now it seems that he has willingly sold his soul to the extreme right. One explanation is that the extreme religious right projects a Messianic image onto him that corresponds with his own sense of having been called to save Israel and the Jewish people. He has a plan for the day after and it’s very clear to anyone who listens: ‘Total victory’ — and eventually the return of Jewish settlement there. Israel is on the way to reoccupying Gaza.”

If that happens, Israel will become an international pariah and Jewish institutions everywhere will be torn between Jews who will feel the need to defend Israel — right or wrong — and those who, with their kids, will find it indefensible.

BestBouclettes,

A fascist siding with a fascist. Never seen that one coming.

njm1314,

BB has always been Trump’s buddy, that was never a question.

jmanes,
@jmanes@lemmy.world avatar

This has been clear from the start. Netanyahu has spit in the face of Biden time and time again, taking US tax dollars and using it as he sees fit. Trump won’t even require Netanyahu to spit!

slurpinderpin,

Hmmm I wonder why he would prefer Trump?? Where are all those enlightened Leftists saying they’re gonna sit out this election? Are you making the both sides argument? Or are you willing to admit that voting for a guy you don’t agree with 100% (Biden) is better for your causes than letting Trump win?

jmanes,
@jmanes@lemmy.world avatar

Why is your first reaction to attack the left, when the right is standing in front of you?

PugJesus,

The left is very prominent on the Fediverse. The right is (thankfully) almost nonexistent.

jmanes,
@jmanes@lemmy.world avatar

If their post is meant to persuade a super-minority of US political types (the far left) by talking down to them on a niche social media website, they are not doing a very good job. This is not how you convince people to join you. Then again, maybe they have no intention of doing this, and just want to lash out at anyone who will listen.

djsoren19,

Dems:Treat every actual leftist as an enemy, denigrate them, blame them for any wrongs, refuse to acknowledge their concerns, refuse to support any of their positions

Also Dems: “why won’t they just shut up and vote for the person we tell them too? clearly it’s the leftists fault for being unreasonable!”

jmanes,
@jmanes@lemmy.world avatar

Tensions are high and they are understandably panicked. Have open conversations with them in good faith. It is the only way forward.

bobburger,

I agree with the sentiment but it's more like:

Dems: There's no way we'll get single payer universal healthcare passed because other humans exist and they have the right to vote, but we can do the ACA and try again in a few years

Leftists: Stop fucking compromising with facists you capitalist piece of shit. Just make them do what we want. I'm never voting for a Democrat in my entire life ever again

njm1314,

Typically because we expect fascists to support other fascists. It’s when leftist supports fascist that we get annoyed.

jmanes,
@jmanes@lemmy.world avatar

I understand your view, though I see those who do refuse to pull the levers of democracy as misguided and self-destructive rather than overtly and explicitly “supporting fascism.” Convince them to pull the levers they are given, rather than lash out at them. Humans who are confronted with negativity and accusatory language will only back further into their corners and pull out their fists.

aaa999,

this is some “debate me debate me” shit we had a discussion over whether trump was bad in 2015, he is, and now that discussion is over we had a discussion of alternatives to trump that can actually get elected and now that discussion is over we do not need to wipe these people’s asses for them any more than we need to wipe the asses of young earth creationists, the debate is over, the correct response to “i am wrong but what if we had a centrist and polite discussion forever” is “no” and the correct response to “but i want to” is “shut up dumbass”

jmanes,
@jmanes@lemmy.world avatar

You are not helping your case. I won’t hold your words against those that are serious about doing good.

aaa999,

find the factual inaccuracy, civilityboi

slurpinderpin,

Because it’s those less than intelligent leftists who are saying they won’t vote in this election. I expect the right wing to show up and get behind their guy. I’m disappointed that the left seems to be willing to hand them this election

ptz,
@ptz@dubvee.org avatar

Because the right isn’t hem-hawing around and are all in-line behind Trump. The left they’re talking about are the ones sowing division, banging the drum on the left-side wedge issues, and encouraging apathy / vote 3rd party / sit out the vote. Some of those are shills, sure, but not all.

IMO, it’s perfectly reasonable to call those people out because they’re completely missing the bigger picture.

jmanes,
@jmanes@lemmy.world avatar

There is division within the ranks of the right as well. There are protest votes upwards near 20% in the Republican primary in some states, even when there is nobody running against Trump. I understand things are dire, but the Democratic party can win this election. I am far further to the left than the Democrats are, but will still vote for them in the elections to buy time. We must believe in ourselves, and I think lashing out against the far left is detrimental to the cause. It is fair to confront those who are adamant about sitting out elections, but the conversation to mobilize the far left pragmatically must be tactful and not full of hate.

NoIWontPickAName,

We’ve been buying time my entire adult life, short of first term Obama, I voted for him because I thought he would do good.

When are they going to start doing something other than pretending to listen?

jmanes,
@jmanes@lemmy.world avatar

The hard truth is that to get a leftist government we, you and I, and others, have to do more than vote. We still need to vote because it is an avenue given to us. A free lever. But we need to become active locally. In tenant unions, in local leftist groups. We have to organize and this takes time. Do not vote and pray, vote and then act.

NoIWontPickAName,

I’ve done shit like that, I’ve called representatives, fuck sake I have tried multiple times to get a union started in a red state.

I still am, but damn it I am almost completely burnt out

bobburger,

You have to be a reliable constituent and help them get elected. Young people, progressives, leftists, whatever aren't reliable enough and don't vote in numbers significant enough to shift the Overton window significantly in a short time frame. Since they aren't reliable voters the candidate has to go farther to the right to get the votes they need to get elected.

Slow progress is the best you can hope for when you're hoping for extreme change to a system, and you can't stop because if you do a single Republican win can undo years of progress (e.g. Trump with the supreme court nominee and Roe).

Another issue is progressives are really spread thin on issues from civil rights, to economics, to foreign relations, to gun rights, you get the picture. This big tent brings in a lot of people, but some people get pushed out when you bring them in. For example many Latino voters are Catholic and are anti-LGBTQ and anti abortion. They have to decide if they care more about the inclusion the Democratic party brings, or the abortion restrictions the Republicans bring.

All of that to say progressives a often single issue abstainers; they will abstain from voting over a single trigger issue. The more issues a candidate has to support the less likely it is the candidate will support that voters trigger issue to the degree the voter wants. Now that voter is staying home and not voting, which leads to the point I made earlier.

Also we have made a lot of progress. Gay marriage is legal now, people are much more aware of racism and other discrimination and we're taking active steps to combat it, the ACA has helped with medical coverage a ton, the general population are aware Palestinians exist and Israel isn't the good guy, we've installed an amazing amount of green electricity power plants, bike and public transportation are things people want now, and many other incremental improvements.

Things aren't perfect, and some things are still fucked, but we're getting better. We can't stop because it isn't going exactly the way we want it to.

disguy_ovahea,

They’re addressing those that propose abstaining from voting because of Biden’s support of Israel. That is exactly what it takes for Trump to take office and help Netanyahu turn Gaza and Rafah into parking lots.

NoIWontPickAName,

Biden is already letting them, his big red line was Rafah and yet he didn’t stop them, hell he’s okay with it after they started bombing safe zones again now.

Blackbeard, (edited )
@Blackbeard@lemmy.world avatar

Make no mistake, Bibi is doing all of this knowing that a Trump victory will give him the carte blanche permission he needs to annex Gaza, and so the political damage this is doing to Biden is just icing on the cake. He has made this much clear by inviting Trump’s lackeys to peacock for the Knesset. Friedman isn’t alone in thinking that Biden’s playing checkers while Bibi is playing chess, but even if Biden made a 180 and took a hard stance against what’s happening, two things would be virtually guaranteed:

  1. He would be ruthlessly lambasted as an antisemite by the AIPAC-endorsed left and all of the right, and lose the Jewish vote in every swing state, handing the election to Trump in a landslide.
  2. Bibi would ignore him just like he ignored the Israeli left, the Supreme Court, and now his own Defense Minister.

This is looking more and more like an Iranian masterclass in subterfuge which began during the Obama years, and which Trump unwittingly supercharged.

Edit to Add

This piece really puts a very complicated, multi-decade process into much clearer focus. For anyone who’s been flabbergasted at how awful this situation is, and who suspects that there’s something deeper and more sinister going on, these are the major points that have been highlighted behind the paywall:

  1. Why did Israel/Bibi secretly help fund Hamas for all those years? Because it destabilized Gaza and made a 2-state solution less likely.
  2. Why did Hamas act so brazenly if they were so militarily outgunned? If they knew the reaction would be disproportionate? Because they weren’t calling the shots, and they were useful pawns for Iran.
  3. Why has the reaction been so unreasonably bloodthirsty? Because Bibi is facing possible jail time and knows a strong alliance with the bloodthirsty far-right is his only means to avoid it. Their votes are all that’s keeping him a free man.
  4. Why does Biden trust Netanyahu so much? Even after his lurch to the right and during a staggering onslaught of civilians? Because he knows AIPAC will sink his reelection if he takes a stand, and the risk of nuclear war will rise considerably if he loses.
  5. Why has Netanyahu flatly refused to negotiate with Abbas and the Fatah-led PA? Why does there seem to be no “what’s next” plan? Because the far-right wants to annex Gaza, not coexist with the Palestinians. The Supreme Court tried to get them to stop the annexation of the West Bank, and Bibi’s far-right coalition neutered the Court in response.
  6. Why are US politicians so blind to all of this? Many of them are too old to have seen the ground shift beneath them, and don’t see the Israel you and I see.
  7. Why is Netanyahu kissing Trump’s ass? Because Iran is days/weeks away from becoming a nuclear power, and he thinks Trump is willing to nuke them to stop it.

None of this timeline could play out if Bibi willingly negotiated a post-Hamas ruling coalition. He won’t stop the onslaught because his far-right cohorts have already decided that the end game is complete annexation of disputed territory, and Iran has forced them into that corner because they knew Bibi’s coalition was dumb enough to go full bore. This ends with complete isolation of Israel on the world’s stage one way or another, and all Iran had to do was fund a small band of murderous ideologues for a few decades to set the stage for a final showdown.

We are weeks/months away from a nuclear standoff in the middle east.

Sanctus,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

So Biden is essentially a dead man walking? No matter how much it terrifies me, I just don’t see him winning through all these disputes while the right is unified. This is exactly what they needed, and the right is exactly what Israel needs. What are we to do, the American People, when we’re caught in the crossfire?

Blackbeard,
@Blackbeard@lemmy.world avatar

My friend, I wish I knew. The more I learn about this timeline, the darker our future becomes. There’s a reason Putin, Bibi, and the Ayatollah all have their pedals to the metal right now, and it’s not because they sense that America is on the up and up.

If what seems likely comes to pass, by next January Project 2025 will begin the wholesale dismantling of our federal bureaucracy, Republicans will hold the Senate, Trump will lay out the red carpet for Putin to attack NATO by refusing to honor Article 5, Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito will orchestrate their successors, abortion will be banned at 12 weeks nationwide, Obergefell will be overturned, and future US elections will not run the way they’ve been run before. If we have a legitimate chance of winning the Oval Office in 2028, I’ll be absolutely shocked. None of this is outlandish or far-fetched, and people have bragged openly about most of it.

For what it’s worth, the far left is absolutely correct. It’s a genocide, and we’re complicit. We’ve funded too many genocides in the past for this to be ok in any way, shape, or form. But also, the center-left is absolutely correct. It’s a multi-polar world now, and Bibi already has the blank check he needs. If Biden backs down, he’ll be slaughtered at the polls. What comes after will absolutely be worse.

One of the reasons Hitler was able to do what he did was that the far-left KPD turned on the center-left SPD under the banner of “anti-fascism”. The SPD tried to unify with the KPD after the elections of 1930, but the deal was rejected. The KPD routinely got about 10% of the German vote in the Weimar Republic. In 1933 the Nazis came to power and banned the KPD on day one. Then they blamed the KPD for the Reichstag fire, and suspended civil liberties in response. The Weimar Republic collapsed, and the rest is history.

If the far left and the center left can’t find commonality under a shared vision for the future, I think we’re all about to be fed to the wolves.

Krauerking,

The more I learn about this timeline, the darker our future becomes.

Oh man that’s a statement that just barely scratches the surface.

As someone that has bounced around from politics, to advanced earth sciences, to the arts and now just keeps learning new things because I can’t help it… Yeah, things aren’t looking so good.

Humans will prevail and all that but we are slamming head first into a wall of spikes that is going to be and already is starting to be a giant crushing destructionary force for all of what we think of as normal.

Everyone hates the people calling for change when they feel comfortable where it is but if you are calling for change to go backwards to when you felt even more comfortable somehow that always wins, and we go barreling towards fascism from it.

Come senators, congressmen, please heed the call
Don’t stand in the doorway, don’t block up the hall
For he that gets hurt will be he who has stalled
The battle outside ragin’
Will soon shake your windows and rattle your walls
For the times, they are a-changin’

captainlezbian,

The first cause of the left must always be domestic anti fascism. Not out of a nationalistic sense, but out of raw practicality. When fascists gain power everything else we believe in is thrown away

disguy_ovahea,

What are we to do?

Vote for Biden. He’s no guarantee for the Palestinians, that is true. The alternative is confirmed annihilation of Palestinians and Ukrainians, as well as occupation of Taiwan.

NoIWontPickAName,

And click one more ratchet to the right.

They don’t need to beat us, y’all are slowly but surely doing that for them

Krauerking,

Yeah. Just another little step.

The question is: Is there a legitimate other option?

No fantasy perfect scenario world, or all people being made to be better and more caring. As is, can we come up with a solution, a driving force, even a solid nudge to alter course and direction, so that this impact doesn’t slam into us no matter what, accepting that the inertia is already behind it.

I say this fully knowing that Biden does little other than to appease the upper class corporate interests that be and keep everything feeling on track so that it feels like someone else’s problem to anyone above it.

But fuck me, I can’t think of an out that doesn’t involve fantastical imagination at this point.

disguy_ovahea,

Like the violent revolution of the progressives against a Trump-run government, through the masses of militant local and state police officers, and bloodthirsty and loyal right wingers?

Extremist progressives certainly aren’t the mathematicians of the left.

Krauerking,

“After Hitler Trump, our turn.”

I mean historically we can see how well the people rise up to stop the national Fascist party.

People like money and feeling comfortable and it doesn’t matter how many necks must be stepped on for most.

We over assume that the empathetic humans are the ones that make up the majority. We are right they are mostly non violent but people are easy to turn a blind eye.

So yeah, can’t expect that so what can we do? I’m at bake cakes and see if I ever get a chance to kill a Nazi and be put to the firing squad.

Sanctus,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

I’ll get banned for this but we need to show up at Trump’s shit and boo him and demand he be thrown in jail, he needs extreme heat and the same right wing tactics shoved up his ass. We also need to put aside our differences as leftists and decide what is more important: keeping Trump at bay or stopping Israeli support. If you chose one right now, the other doesn’t happen. We are in the most fucked up situation. I don’t blame people for rejecting it and wanting different options. But what they need to realize is Biden can be held accountable even if he wins this election. Trump will make sure nobody in power is ever held accountable again.

NoIWontPickAName,

I don’t believe he will be held accountable.

It doesn’t help that he has his own bunch of magats that will support him no matter what.

I honestly believe that Biden could rape a toddler on video, while holding up his id and giving his full social security number, and there are still a good chunk of people that would vote for him

Sanctus,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

Umm, Biden? What are you talking about? He is already getting backlash and there hasn’t been a ruling by the ICC. Democrats don’t get away with shit like Republicans do because their base doesn’t idealize people but ideals. He will be hemorrhaging support and from there no one will defend him. The only thing that will save him is Trump, which his stance on Israel after all this time gives him the appearance of being okay with that.

NoIWontPickAName,

And yet everyone is idolizing and idealizing him

Zaktor,

The protests (both on campus and in primary voting) and continuing electoral concerns were what got Biden to his current not-100% support of genocide. It isn’t like there’s an irrevocable switch pulled right now that chooses between “Palestine” or “Biden”. He can be pushed to improve now, which will in turn help his election. You can’t look at the past 6 months and think protest doesn’t work.

Sanctus,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

He is never going to do a 180. He is never going to admit what is happening is a genocide. I believe that will cost him the election. I believe Ben knows this and wants our government to be right-wing like his. I believe after November, we will have to forcibly remove Trump after he destroys democracy. I hope I eat these words.

Zaktor,

He doesn’t have to do a 180 to get the anti-genocide bloc to vote for him, he just needs to be better than he is. No one is expecting him to lead the charge at the ICC, but he’s gotta stop sucking Netanyahu’s toes.

And yeah, I think Netanyahu is absolutely happy to destroy Biden’s reputation and reelection, and it’s frankly bizarre that Biden doesn’t recognize him as an antagonist. Chuck Schumer was right to directly call him out as one of the main problems. Biden’s biggest flaw is he thinks bad people will be his friend if he “hugs” them. He gets proven wrong time and again but keeps at it. But if he’s not able to get over that mistaken belief on his own, cold hard electoral math will hopefully get him to take the right position even if he doesn’t believe in it.

Blackbeard,
@Blackbeard@lemmy.world avatar

I’m sure his administration is rushing around like lunatics to try to orchestrate something behind the scenes. They know their shortest path to victory is being able to say “Look! We brokered a cease fire! We ended the war!” But they know they can’t throttle back one iota until that becomes a reality. He temporarily paused a bomb shipment and the media piled all over his ass in a chorus with Republicans (and some Democrats). Suddenly he was “helping Hamas”. I think that’s the true poison pill of his whole debacle. If he does anything other than full-throated support, he will be labeled an antisemite and also an ally to terrorists because the media is largely feckless and naive and can be led around by the nose. The right wing mediasphere is practically salivating at the prospect of Biden giving them a potent attack angle.

I hope he finds the goldilocks zone soon, but I’m afraid it’s vanishingly small and shrinking every day.

Zaktor, (edited )

But they know they can’t throttle back one iota until that becomes a reality.

This is just an utter failure in leadership. The majority of his party doesn’t support Israel’s war. A smaller majority of all Americans don’t support it. If you can’t make that a winning issue and feel straightjacketed by the opinion of your enemies, that’s a you problem.

You sources are, for reference:

Biden needs to realize who his friends and allies are. Fuck the rightwing mediasphere. If they were able to dictate which position would lose Biden the election, it’s already over. The 26 Democrats are the only problem in that whole list, and they’ve been a thorn in his eye before and were brought to heel by the party machinery reinforcing that opposing your own party’s president is a bad idea.

Blackbeard, (edited )
@Blackbeard@lemmy.world avatar

I cited those sources specifically to show what his enemies will flood the airwaves with if he changes course. Their bias is exactly the problem I’m illuminating.

Zaktor, (edited )

Then you’re an idiot. It doesn’t matter that Fox News will try to make something an issue. They’re going to call Democrats antisemites while chanting the great replacement theory regardless of what Joe Biden does and everyone who’s going to be influenced by them is already lost to him for five other made up crises. Liberals like you are continually jumping at the shadows thinking there’s some masterful triangulation that will thread the needle just right to make the rightwing mediasphere unable to push a message while completely losing the plot about how that comes across to the voters that actually matter.

The very instinct to just duck and defend at every turn is why we lose on issues like this where the majority of the country are with us. Chuck Schumer isn’t some DSA member and he had it right: take the political fight to the people who mean to do us harm and define them as the problem. Biden should be spurning Netanyahu, both because it’s the right thing to do and the right political move, and he should be saying it out loud, defining the narrative rather than waiting for it to be defined for him. There’s a perfectly good message here about the United States as a moral force promoting a just international order and the dangers presented by rightwing fascists motivated by hate and putting personal needs above what is good for their nations.

Blackbeard,
@Blackbeard@lemmy.world avatar

“Don’t worry about the media that helped orchestrate this in swing states across the nation.”

Staggering strategic genius right there.

Semi-Hemi-Demigod,
@Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

He would be ruthlessly lambasted as an antisemite by the AIPAC-endorsed left and all of the right, and lose the Jewish vote in every swing state, handing the election to Trump in a landslide.

Instead, he's getting ruthlessly lambasted as a genocider by significant Muslim populations in swing states, losing their vote, and handing the election to Trump in the Electoral College.

Blackbeard,
@Blackbeard@lemmy.world avatar

Yep, so now you see why he’s not budging. He loses either way. My guess is he’s trying to thread the needle by counting on the Jewish, pro-Israel voting block being more valuable (i.e. larger) than the pro-Palestine left wing. Could also be that he knows Trump presents an existential crisis not just for everyone on the left, but also for many center-right voters who are already talking about swinging for Biden. He might (or might not) have good reason to. More likely, I think, he’s counting on the fact that young people care more about Gaza than old people, and young people consistently have the lowest turnout of any age group. It’s a hedge, to be sure, but apparently one they think they have to make.

Semi-Hemi-Demigod,
@Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

And in the meantime children die. What a stupid world.

Blackbeard,
@Blackbeard@lemmy.world avatar

I didn’t say it was fair or good. Just that this is the situation we find ourselves in.

Semi-Hemi-Demigod,
@Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

I know enough history to be used to not being able to vote not to kill children.

Blackbeard,
@Blackbeard@lemmy.world avatar

If I were presented with a choice to murder a child to avoid 100% certain nuclear Armageddon, I would murder the child. If I were presented with a choice to murder a child to avoid 1% certain nuclear Armageddon, I probably wouldn’t. Where the rest of us fall between those extremes is up for debate, and it seems to me like that’s how the administration is rationalizing it. Apparently to them the stakes (for the whole world) are just too high to change course.

NoIWontPickAName,

I’d kill a kid to save an undetermined amount of people, but I would have the decency to kill myself as well

Blackbeard,
@Blackbeard@lemmy.world avatar

Ok.

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