US involved in Israeli operation in Nuseirat that killed over 200 Palestinians

The Israeli military had US support in rescuing four captives from Gaza in a “complex daytime operation” in Nuseirat that killed over 200 Palestinians.

A US official told Axios that the US hostages cell in Israel had “supported” the effort to rescue the captives.

The Palestinian government media office in Gaza said the death toll from Israel’s attack on central Gaza had reached at least 210, with 400 more wounded.

“The occupation has annihilated the Nuseirat refugee camp. Innocent and unarmed civilian were bombed in their homes. I’ve never seen anything like this. It’s a catastrophe,” local Nidal Abdo told Middle East Eye.

"I came from the camp to here in the hospital on foot. I can’t describe how we fled. I saw dead children and body parts strewn all over as we fled. No one was able to assist them. I saw an elderly man killed on a animal-drawn cart.

“Nuseirat was being annihilated. It was hell.”

It said: “American participation in the criminal operation that was carried out today proves once again the complicit role of the American administration, its full participation in the war crimes committed in the Gaza Strip, [and] the falsity of its declared positions on the humanitarian situation and its concern for the lives of civilians.”

MilitantAtheist,

The majority of Palestinians I have on Facebook cheered and posted demeaning stuff when the original Hamas attack happened.

I understand they don’t like Israel, but rejoicing and being assholes about regular people being raped and murdered really won’t get me to care about your cause.

I don’t like the Israeli government at all, but Hamas and the people who support Hamas can fuck right off.

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

palestinians should shut up while being Genocided for the last 20 years with Zionists having a party about it and America supporting it.

Good thing you stood up for them before Oct7. They can always count on you.

TheFonz,

You’re just larping at this point. You don’t care about the Palestinians either -this much is certain.

Kony 2012, amirite?

JacksonLamb,
@JacksonLamb@lemmy.world avatar

Why on earth do you mostly have pro-terrorist facebook friends? Did you not realise you can just block people like that?

Happytongue,

The fact that the hostages were located in a refugee camp says a lot every day is an opportunity to give up the hostages. The Palestinians are all complicit. Why do they not pressure Hamas to give them back? Because they are 100% aligned with Hamas. And people want to claim they are innocent? That claim has lost its legitimacy. Think what you want.

threeganzi,

I think most civilians in Gaza are busy trying to survive. People are starving and trying to avoid being killed. Constantly moving. Even if starving refugees did run in to one of the hostages, how and to who would they relay this information? And with that information relayed, what could the informant expect happen to the the camp that they stay in?

Linkerbaan, (edited )
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Rumor: There are allegations with some still non conclusive footage floating that the IDF used a fake humanitarian aid truck during the rescue operation to get into the camp

And that the hostages were evacuated at the American temporary pier.

As UNRWA = Hamas is allowed without any evidence, surely we can post these allegations here.

TankovayaDiviziya,

So, US had been reluctant to allow Ukraine to strike Russian military assets deep within Russia with American weapons; but at the same time, US handwaves away Israelis killing Palestinian civilians using massive American military package.

Biden-- you could not be any more of an ass without a spine.

cosmicrookie, (edited )
@cosmicrookie@lemmy.world avatar

Its weird that the Whitehouse does not mention USA involvement in the action that saved 4 but killed hundreds

whitehouse.gov/…/statement-from-national-security…

febra,

A deal has been on the table for weeks now. A deal that would’ve released all the hostages and would’ve caused zero Palestinian deaths. I guess to the average Israeli one of their citizens goes for at least 50 Palestinians though.

cosmicrookie,
@cosmicrookie@lemmy.world avatar

Israel also lost soldiers in the rescue operation so its even worse than that

anas,

Can we finally say that Biden is directly killing children now?

Silverseren,

I wonder how the four hostages feel that their rescue involved the murdering of dozens of women and children on the same day.

I would hope they have the empathy to feel guilty about that, but considering what the general Israeli poster (and Israeli population member, based on polls) is like, I doubt they view Palestinians as human.

uis,

Or like Ekaterina Shulman said about polls in Russia related to politics and war: “Average person when asked a question thinks «What do I think? I think same as others. What others think? They think what was said on TV»”.

AmidFuror,

Feel guilty for getting captured by one set of murdering lunatics and then freed by another set? Why? What was their misdeed? Going to a concert? Surviving a massacre?

EasternLettuce,

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    Billy,

    So to you all Israeli Jews, Druze and Bedouin can be kidnapped and killed for being born on “stolen Palestinian land”?

    Guydht,

    Ah yes, so every american shouldn’t ever feel any joy because they were born on stolen land.

    Get out of here. Any person saying they want the 48 borders are a lunatic living in la-la land. You only enforce the Israeli twisted view of “there could never be peace with them” by actually showing that you want the genocide of all Israelis, instead of realistic borders of a palestinian state. Fuck you.

    EasternLettuce,

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    Guydht,

    And that kids, is why peace just isn’t thing in the middle east. When you think of the other side as something meant to just be destroyed, don’t be surprised when peace doesn’t last and ceasefires break.

    Skydancer,

    It’s called Survivor’s Guilt. It may not be rational, but emotions often aren’t. And yes, they’re likely to wind up with it for both surviving the October 7th raid AND for the deaths in the raid that freed them. Along with all sorts of other trauma related mental health issues.

    assassin_aragorn,

    Man, I don’t know how I could stomach that guilt. Knowing that your rescue came at the cost of many more innocent civilians killed and wounded, including children. I don’t think I’d be able to look at any of the victims who survived in the face, let alone grieving family.

    What’s really twisted is it isn’t the hostages’ faults either that all those people died. I don’t know if I’d even blame the kidnappers for those deaths. Surely the IDF could’ve done more to prevent civilian deaths.

    It would take a monstrous person to not feel considerable guilt after this. I guess we’ll find out the type of person these hostages are.

    capital,

    I don’t know if I’d even blame the kidnappers for those deaths.

    What the fuck?

    AmidFuror,

    Repressed brown people can do no wrong.

    assassin_aragorn,

    For the 200 deaths today

    JeromeVancouver,

    Glad to see 4 hostages rescues. Fuck Hamas.

    NoIWontPickAName,

    Glad to see 4 hostages rescued too.

    Fuck Israel for their thinking 4 people are worth that.

    capital,

    “We know where our people are but Hamas has surrounded themselves with their own citizens. What should we do?”

    “Damn. I guess we’ll have to abandon our people then. Pack it up.”

    Stop letting Hamas’ tactic work on you.

    nobleshift,
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    capital,

    I don’t follow

    NoIWontPickAName,

    4 adults for 23 kids is not worth it.

    I would say that everyone of them should be reminded what their rescue cost repeatedly, but that’s not fair to them and the others are like you and think the trade is worth it.

    Stop letting Israel’s tactics work on you.

    capital,

    Darn. Guess we just have to let Hamas and anyone who comes after do whatever they want as long as they keep their human shields nearby.

    NoIWontPickAName,

    Whatever you have to tell yourself to be okay with killing kids friend.

    It’s s probably just “they’re brown”

    capital,

    Keep reducing everything to the color of people’s skin and you’ll continue to be confused about lots of other people’s positions on a wide variety of topics.

    I’m sure it makes life simpler for you though.

    Just in case you’re not totally gone, consider the Russia Ukraine conflict.

    If Ukraine took action to recover their kidnapped citizens and it ended like this one did, I’d hold the exact same position. And gasp their skin is white!

    Unlike lots of “progressives”, my opinion of right and wrong doesn’t change with people’s skin color.

    Billy,

    You didn’t even need to use that conflict as an example. Most Israelis are brown.

    NoIWontPickAName,

    They’re less brown then the people they’re killing and unfortunately that’s all that matters to a lot of people.

    NoIWontPickAName,

    Ok, you’re just a regular piece of shit, not a racist one.

    I guess that’s better

    kaffiene,

    Or, you know, they could just get them all back by agreeing to a peace deal and not killing anyone

    Tryptaminev,

    Isarel: Forcibly displaces people again, again and again, cramming them into less and less space.

    You: Why is Hamas surrounding itself with Civillians, that is so evil!!!

    Israel: Lets use aid trucks to bring our fighters in and slaughter random people. It is a clear warcrime to abuse humanitarian infrastructure to transport combatants, but who cares.

    You: Oh my gosh. They did so well with their war crimes. It is totally justified because i am closeted racist, so who cares about women and children being murdered if they aren’t part of my group

    capital,

    Y’all mind if we stop pretending Hamas isn’t totally cool with getting their own citizens killed?

    GAZA CITY — The emergency room in Shifa Hospital is often a place of gore and despair. On Thursday, it was also a lesson in the way ordinary people are squeezed between suicidal fighters and a military behemoth.

    Dr. Awni al-Jaru, 37, a surgeon at the hospital, rushed in from his home here, dressed in his scrubs. But he came not to work. His head was bleeding, and his daughter’s jaw was broken.

    He said Hamas militants next to his apartment building had fired mortar and rocket rounds. Israel fired back with force, and his apartment was hit. His wife, Albina, originally from Ukraine, and his 1-year-old son were killed.

    “My son has been turned into pieces,” he cried. “My wife was cut in half. I had to leave her body at home.” Because Albina was a foreigner, she could have left Gaza with her children. But, Dr. Jaru lamented, she would not leave him behind.

    A car arrived with more patients. One was a 21-year-old man with shrapnel in his left leg who demanded quick treatment. He turned out to be a militant with Islamic Jihad. He was smiling a big smile.

    “Hurry, I must get back so I can keep fighting,” he told the doctors.

    He was told that there were more serious cases than his, that he needed to wait. But he insisted. “We are fighting the Israelis,” he said. “When we fire we run, but they hit back so fast. We run into the houses to get away.” He continued smiling.

    “Why are you so happy?” this reporter asked. “Look around you.”

    A girl who looked about 18 screamed as a surgeon removed shrapnel from her leg. An elderly man was soaked in blood. A baby a few weeks old and slightly wounded looked around helplessly. A man lay with parts of his brain coming out. His family wailed at his side.

    “Don’t you see that these people are hurting?” the militant was asked.

    “But I am from the people, too,” he said, his smile incandescent. “They lost their loved ones as martyrs. They should be happy. I want to be a martyr, too.”

    web.archive.org/web/…/09fighter.html

    It is totally justified because i am closeted racist, so who cares about women and children being murdered if they aren’t part of my group

    This is such a tired response, I’ve already replied to it here.

    NoIWontPickAName,

    Ah yes the NYT, that bastion of truth regarding the Israelis.

    Did they ever figure out who leaked all that?

    They sure spent a lot of time trying to figure out who leaked it instead of actually strengthening their journalistic practices

    capital,

    We’ll ignore the fact that martyrdom is tightly intertwined with their religion.

    They’re religious fanatics. Similar to US conservatives which I assume you’d have no problem criticizing.

    Your reply doesn’t address my assessment of Hamas’ attitude toward their own citizens. It’s nice and snarky though and will do well here on Lemmy.

    NoIWontPickAName,

    So, this comes down to trusting NYT reporting, something they have shown they are not capable of deserving.

    Hummus are terrorists, fuck them and I hope that anyone involved in terroristic activities dies in pain.

    I like how you completely ignored everything I said though.

    capital,

    You didn’t say shit. You conveyed your distrust of NYT.

    I guess we only have the EU to reference here too: www.voanews.com/a/…/7353026.html

    Should I find more?

    NoIWontPickAName,

    Doesn’t VoA stand for voice of America?

    capital,

    Again, you’re overly concerned with the source rather than the content. Do you think VOA is making up an EU condemnation?

    That can’t be because anyone who thinks that would simply open another tab in their browser and look for a different source which may corroborate this one.

    So you just want to be obtuse. Literally nothing I say will convince you. Considering that, I think we’re done here.

    For anyone else reading the thread: apnews.com/…/european-union-condemn-hamas-human-s…

    NoIWontPickAName,

    There you go! A source that is not a state owned media by the US you r one that has not already been tainted by showing a clearly Israeli bias and then trying to cover up and exterminate the leaks.

    We all know that they are using human shields, they are complete and total bastards.

    That still does not make it okay for that ratio.

    I can accept that there will be a ratio, there’s no helping that but 1 adult for 5 children is too high.

    That is using the lowest number I have seen and only addressing children.

    Would you be okay with 5 kids dying to save you?

    dlatch,

    How deranged do you have to be to think that it’s okay to murder more than 200 innocent people to save 4? Imagine that there’s a hostage situation somewhere near you, and the outcome is “we saved the 4 hostages, unfortunately 200 bystanders died”. I can not comprehend how you can be so mentally disturbed that you can be okay with that.

    JeromeVancouver,

    Innocents died and that is a tragedy but I do not believe all 200 are innocents when there are hostages being held. If I was complicit holding hostages in my home I would not be an innocent

    hark,
    @hark@lemmy.world avatar

    A refugee camp isn’t much of a home.

    kbotc,

    It’s a city. Calling it a refugee camp is due to the special UN status all Palestinians have as refugees no matter where they are.

    Tryptaminev,

    That is bullshit. The reason why 90% of the Palestinians have a refugee status is because 90% of them were forcibly displaced by Israel. The few Palestinians that don’t have a refugee status do so, because they were already living in Gaza or the few remaing parts of the occupied Westbank and East Jerusalem that weren’t forcibly evicted and settled by Israeli terrorists yet.

    Guydht,

    You mean their grandparents were displaced by Israel. They themselves were born in Gaza or the West bank, and should be considered residents of that land. If attempts of trying to “free palestine” by terrorism stop, and plans like Oslo could be continued of establishing a state in the 67 borders, then Palestinians can stop being refugees. Meanwhile no Palestinian organization is doing what’s good for their people - which is to try and make peace over existing borders.

    Tryptaminev,

    Replace Palestinians with European Jews in your statement, and think of existing borders as in Nazi Germany 1942 and then think again very slowly, if you want to make these kind of arguments.

    Guydht,

    … But jews aren’t considered refugees… I fail to see your point in comparing that, since european jews are indeed not refugees. Their grandparents were refugees after the 2nd world war, but now they’re Israelis or migrated to another country. In both cases, not refugees anymore.

    What country did Palestinians migrate to?

    SuddenDownpour,

    90% of Gazans have been displaced from the homes they did live one year ago due to Israel’s invasion of Gaza, which is why the person you’re talking to says they’re refugees. Please get informed because flaunting your ignorance.

    Guydht,

    Please learn to read what he wrote before saying anything.

    The few Palestinians that don’t have a refugee status do so, because they were already living in Gaza

    He was talking about the 48 war, and their refugee status since then.

    Right now Gazans are refugees, yes, but they were considered “refugees” even before this war, when they had a home (which is now probably destroyed since oct.7).

    I’m informed, I just also know how to read.

    dlatch,

    Okay, let’s assume only half are innocent (that’s generous given the statistics of the invasion so far). That’s still more than 100 innocent human beings murdered. Families torn apart, children orphaned, parents that have to bury their children, or families that simply stopped existing. How anyone can celebrate that outcome as a success I will never understand.

    capital,

    I also wish Hamas didn’t use human shields.

    NoIWontPickAName,

    I don’t think you do

    capital,

    Think whatever you like.

    uis,

    Innocents died and that is a tragedy but I do not believe all 200 are innocents when there are hostages being held.

    Those 200 could be rest of hostages.

    If I was complicit holding hostages in my home I would not be an innocent

    Direct question. Are you USSAian? Because it seems you imagine everyone lives in own separate house.

    Telodzrum,

    USAian

    lmao

    Linkerbaan,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    These comments are unironically as insane as people that say that there are no innocents in israel and Hamas had the right to shoot every israeli.

    But somehow Zionists saying insane Nazi shit just flies.

    NoIWontPickAName,

    Ok so what number are you ok with here?

    uis,

    How deranged do you have to be to think that it’s okay to murder more than 200 innocent people to save 4?

    Person you are replying to didn’t do that in comment you are replying to.

    Linkerbaan,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    They meant to say it as they already commented

    I do not believe all 200 are innocents

    uis,

    Ah. Misreply.

    Guydht,

    I mean, say what you want but 100% dozens of those 200 are Hamas terrorists. He’s not wrong. Heck, we don’t even know if it was indeed 200 killed.

    Also how is nobody here even a bit mad over Hamas hiding hostages in a refugee camp?

    NoIWontPickAName,

    Because we they’re scorpions.

    You only express anger at things that you think can change.

    You just express depression at things that are wrong that you know you can’t.

    We are mad at Israel because we expect more from them than we do from terrorists.

    It’s the same reason we get mad here in the USA when our country does something stupid and shitty like invading Iraq to try and finish the job that your daddy couldn’t.

    Guydht,

    That’s an actually really solid case.

    I do think though that the world also needs to help Israel in the fight against Hamas. You can’t expect them to both be humane with the same standard as the rest of the west, while they’re the only ones being constantly attacked (and very effectively so).

    So while you can and should expect change from the situation, you can’t expect it to come for free and one sidedly.

    NoIWontPickAName,

    I think we have been very generous so far, more so than a lot of us would like

    zerog_bandit,

    How deranged do you have to be to say Israeli lives are less important than Palestinian? Take your Hamas propaganda somewhere else troll.

    NoIWontPickAName,

    Are they more important

    SulaymanF,

    The issue here is that the IDF believes Israeli lives are FAR more important than Palestinian lives. How much? They actually have calculated how many Palestinian civilian deaths are acceptable to protect one Israeli soldier.

    Tryptaminev,

    They didn’t calculate a fixed number. They adjust the numbers depending on what allows them to throw enough bombs that day. And if they get to distract or don’t face political backlash over it, which we saw in the past months getting especially worse, with how the US, UK and Germany to maybe throw some words, but otherwise go hellbent on full support of their crimes.

    For all matters of reason the value of a Palestinian life to the Zionazis is 0. Heck we see them murdering women and children out of boredom. We see them counting how many women and children they murdered and bragging about it on Tiktok.

    dlatch,

    Lol what? I’m clearly not saying that, I’m arguing Israeli lives are not worth more than Palestinian. My whole point is that a life is a life, I don’t give a rats ass what side of an imaginary line on a map that person was born.

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