I use apt-get, I don’t care about how “pleasing” the package manager is, I just want it to do its job and get off the way… But pacman… I don’t know why, but it’s so beautiful, charming and cute, how do they do it?
I don’t care how visually pleasing it is either, but I often find apt(-get) difficult to read.
For example, a simple thing that zypper does, is that when listing the packages to be installed, it colors the first letter of each package, which makes it a lot easier to scan through the packages.
@Sunny@minamoog It'd be hard to argue for anything against #portage! The only time it's not pleasing to look at is when it's littered with [ B ] markers. 😆
It would be a good thing if you want to have stuff inaccessible by your users. Reasonable assumptions when you’re the IT department with the company workstations. Not so reasonable when you just want to have a working PC for yourself (and probably your family).
The other day, I gave up on my Tumbleweed system when an update for some reason rendered my living room PC unable to connect to internet.
Maybe it was done in a good reason. Maybe it’s supposed to give me some protection of some sort. Would I need that protection? Definitely not if it keeps me (and other family members) to watch youtube.
If anyone wants to attack me thru that thing, I’d say go for it. I got nothing but my Netflix & Spotify creds. They can try infecting my media library, which I can just wipe since I got multiple copies of it.
Right now, I got Debian running on all my systems. I get to configure each of them to be as secure as it needs to be without having my operations hindered.
I clearly agree, apt is ugly and even synaptic making it better. But like i said, while ago when I used synaptic I did break my packages and I got to use dpkg and apt, to repair.
Since, I guess, I’m on a PTSD about it and now just use apt or dpkg, when using a Debian or Debian based system.
But I will listen to you, and for sure will give it a try
No that was an synaptic issue, dont remember now the specific issue,
But it didnt managed well, certainly a bug at the bad moment for me at this time XD
But hey i dont regret, i know how to manage a broken apt DB now XD. I guess… x)
I really like emerge/portage, even w/out the “candy” feature enabled. Great color highlighting, and verbose messages about any config change(s) needed.
Portage was great but losing a day whenever there was a glibc upgrade or something that caused a more “exciting” upgrade than usual wasn’t worth it. I wanted more stability after a while.
I can’t remember ever having a glibc related update problem. eselect news is always there for me. (:
I only have rarely a perl update related problem, but usually solvable with a world update. And since there are now binpkgs I only compile what has differing useflags from the selected profile. Portage has never been better!
Ohh it’s been a long time since I last used gentoo! I remember I used to love the green/blue (I hope my memory isn’t failing me) combination everywhere </3.
I stopped using it because building the updates on multiple machines was becoming a pain and had a couple of drives fail, but those were good times!
I really like the simplicity and formatting of stock pacman. It’s not super colorful but it’s fast and gives you all of the info you need. yay (or paru if you’re a hipster) is the icing on top.
It shows the tree of packages to download and to build. It shortens the tree in realtime when packages have finished downloading/building and lengthens the tree when it finds more packages it needs to handle. Very fun and satisfying.
Yeah seriously, I was surprised at how plain and illegible rpm-ostree felt in comparison to dnf, I really wish they put a little color or some extra separation just to make it feel less cramped and give people more glanceable info.
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