Pantherina

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Pantherina,

And then there is OnlyOffice which also just uses Libreoffice and develops a minimalist web UI and sync features.

Why not join efforts?

Pantherina,

Crazy, its completely new code? I thought it was a fork.

That makes it pretty impressive

Pantherina,

Yes I thought about that exact argument. They oversize their panels on purpose, there is tons of other space to click on, which is also way less risky, that next to the close button.

And this expansion is about all decoration buttons of course.

Pantherina,

Extend it to the edge of the window. The panel is above the window, no issue here

Pantherina,

Sorry, “maximized”. I may need to edit some things.

Pantherina,

Yes, “because one of their council is leftist pro censorship”

Like this crap

Pantherina,

Crazyy!

Btw I am XWayland free since today!

I have a list of recommended apps here

Some apps need environment variables:

Qt:

  • qpwgraph

GTK

  • GPU Screen recorder, I guess

Electron

  • Nextcloud Flatpak
  • MullvadVPN RPM
  • Signal Flatpak
  • (Element, I switched to the Webapp in Librewolf)
  • Freetube Flatpak

You can use xlsclients -l to detect apps using XWayland.

Some may even want to run apps through XWayland on purpose, like KeepassXC for Clipboard access or autotype. Lets see how long it takes to implement all the needed protocols.

Pantherina, (edited )

Funny. True, on superstable but also super unstable systems, having separated apps makes most sense.

Not actually on “immutable” rpm-ostree systems, as these have the best and most solid package management.

So actually when people say “these immutable systems, you just use Flatpaks”, actually on the regular systems you should mainly use Flatpaks.

Pantherina,

True, if I use bottles Flatpak as a GTK wayland app, the actual apps still use XWayland.

Not using any Wine apps though.

Pantherina,

Yes, “just buy new hardware” is not a solution.

But dont let some news fool ya. NVIDIA already won the AI race, so their “new open source driver” will only benefit their newly sold products

Pantherina,

Dont use “stable” software people.

Gimp 3 is already very nice! Use it exclusively.

Pantherina,

I mean I already reported 2 issues, but it still works. I can use it without big problems, I use the beta Flatpak (as explained in my flatpak remotes list).

Using Wayland too, Idk about any problems but if it wouldnt work I would just disable Wayland for the Flatpak and the app automatically runs through XWayland

Pantherina,

Burner phones are a strange concept. If you want to store sensitive data on it, you shouldnt use some cheap android phone or even a dumbphone without encryption support.

Pantherina,

All Android phones have Google malware installed by default, as system apps, which means those apps can do whatever they want.

So every piece of data you put on there is possibly tracked and collected.

Then there are 2 more problems

  • the software is proprietary and cannot be externally wiped clean
  • the software is outdated

This makes it vulnerable to Pegasus attacks and others. There are tons of secure practices to avoid getting it, like LTE-only, HTTPS only, encrypted and trustworthy DNS, sandboxed processes, blocked javascript execution from unknown websites…

But still if the phone is outdated there are unpatched and publicly known security issues. Just spamming them at all phones is likely to succeed as so many people run vulnerable versions, as vendors suck.

Then if you have pegasus, the only way for security is to reflash the A/B partitions, both. Factory reset is not secure as it will keep what is already in the system partitions.

The firmware is protected and signed by the vendors, so it is likely clean.

But Pegasus installs itself to the phone storage.

If you A cant obtain factory images or B cant flash the phone at all, you cannot wipe it clean.

So a good activism phone needs

  • trustworthy and minimal system apps / stock software
  • modern software updates
  • possible to reflash whole device externally
  • nice to have: ability to verify checksum of system partition, like GrapheneOS Attestation

This makes them poorly pretty expensive. I think a slightly outdated GrapheneOS phone is okay though.

Pantherina,

I think 3a is already too old. I think 4a is a better minimum, but this is still insecure of course.

Pantherina,

Yes I know, and I want to try DivestOS one time. But they do incomplete patches.

They cannot update the kernel themselves or even worse the firmware. The kernel needs to be built and patched for the specific hardware, GrapheneOS relies completely on Google here. And the firmware needs to be signed by the vendors, so no chance either.

And especially baseband, cellular stuff has extremely many vulnerabilities in the code.

Pantherina,

Not sure if VPN eliminates all risks with 2G and 3G, maybe it does.

Sandboxing, javascript

Vanadium has sandboxing but its javascript blocking is useless (no granular control)

Mull has no process isolation at all, but support for UBO and Noscript. Bad situation

it’s a walk in the park for it to modify any of the partitions

These cannot be written without TPM verification or stuff, ask GrapheneOS devs about that, I dont know. The firmware signing is required, the verification will not be done inside the OS, that would be totally flawed.

If they have the firmware signing keys, they can fuck you. If they dont, they can only write to the system partition, and Attestation can see that.

Reading data has nothing to do with that. They likely can, but that doesnt matter.

My 6 years old phone still receives LOS updates

This will not include firmware and likely even the kernel.

Pantherina,

Yes that is one definition.

But what if you get it back? Or if you just keep it?

There is a chance that you have Pegasus on there, and I wouldnt want a phone without the detection of this.

GrapheneOS can likely detect pegasus with their Attestation and if you have it, use an external device to reflash it.

Pantherina,

Not sure but GrapheneOS has an “LTE only” mode, stock Android only has preferred Network afaik.

visiting only known websites is not a scaleable option, a browser needs to be secure. Kiwix is the browser that basically runs desktop Chromium on Android, so it has Addon support. But that is also soon manifest v3 restricted, and likely pretty insecure.

of course the user data partition is not checked, but every other important one. I have not tested what would happen when it is modified though.

I dont know what magisk did, but I think that is only about Google Play adding their “safety” scanning to the OS. Nothing regarding boot. But yes, likely there could, can or should be OS components scanning things too.

Googles stuff is pretty insecure, for example the latest SafetyNetFix simply disabled hardware cryptography, as they still support insecure phones.

For sure this is very complex and there are always vulnerabilities found in Android and GrapheneOS.

Pantherina,

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Pantherina,

Mailbox.org missing, pass

Pantherina,

What, source?

How would you block an OS?

And btw there are some reasons why GrapheneOS may be criticised

Pantherina,

Thanks! TLDR spamhaus (a big spamlist provider) has them on their spamlist, or maybe not, and they are using some fancy CDN.

It is VERY likely just a technical error.

Pantherina,
  1. Good that only you do this, as a whole company setup is complex
  2. Pop_OS is currently not that well maintained afaik, their GNOME desktop is quite outdated.

Just using their OS for the hybrid graphics support is a valid point, but should not be the only one.

Having a well managed OS is crucial, but I disagree that Ubuntu base is the best here.

For stability, a centrally managed Fedora Atomic would be better I think. Way more stable, image-based, all peolple would have exactly what they need.

You could build images locally and take care of the exact updates like that. Or you just share specific configs for each role, like preinstalling different software.

But having things like specific policies, any files, hardening etc. is totally possible during image creation.

Pantherina,

What do you mean?

To my knowledge they dont ship GNOME 46 but some old “LTS” variant (GNOME doesnt do LTS variants)

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Software that doesnt store private metadata

  • grapheneOS cam
  • opencamera (not by default!)
  • KDE spectacle
  • android GrapheneOS screenshots
Pantherina,

For sure, edited it. GrapheneOS screenshots have no metadata afaik

Pantherina,

VPNs are not meant for privacy. The concept is clunky, as is the concept of our internet.

Tor or I2P are made for privacy, but the interactions with the clearnet have the same problems, you need a legal entity hosting the server, IPs are known and can be blocked etc.

Hosting your own VPN does not anonymize you anymore but is very unlikely to get blocked.

Pantherina,

They only support Ubuntu as downstream Distro, while they preinstall it on their number 1 supported platform, SteamOS. They control the complete software stack and even hardware.

They dont support Arch on whatever hardware, they support SteamOS on the Steamdeck.

Pantherina,

For some reason it is not yet on Flathub

Pantherina,

I am not using Mint and it is also in the Fedora repos, but there is no reason for it to not be on Flathub. Maybe when I find the time I try to package it.

Pantherina,

On KDE Plasma theming and Cursors work with Flatpaks normally

Pantherina,

Any system app on Android, the captive portal login and more CAN all bypass a VPN in “block all other connections” mode.

Android is really problematic and having as little system apps as possible is the only fix.

Pantherina,

Find out if they have RSS/Atom feeds and use any Feed reader

Pantherina,

Seems to be dead, but can probably be hosted locally

Pantherina,

The screenshot on Wikipedia showed GNOME with that Ubuntu like Panel.

Pantherina,

They just pay some dude that is doing good work

Pantherina,

Thanks, I dont think the common tools are dangerous to work with the original, but I now have 3 backups in various approaches and will wait until I find a solution on how to restore header files, as this seems to be kinda impossible to recover (“secure delete”)

Pantherina,

Hm… okay maybe. The issue is we have nearly all files but the file headers are missing.

Looking for some tools to recover those header files

Pantherina,

You got me in the first part XD

No joking, apart from that

But since apparently PulseAudio is the GNome / Microsoft approved way

I think I understand your point.

Pulseaudio is outdated, Pipewire AND Pulseaudio are now needed. Maybe also just Pipewire, and you can somehow fake Pulseaudio?

I never used a system without Pulseaudio, and Fedora has both (?) Or just Pipewire.

Pulseaudio is the old stuff that apps want to use, pipewire is the new cool stuff (I recommend qpwgraph) which allows like everything.

Aaand it is not overcomplicated, it isolated apps and introduces a permission system. Privileged programs that channel the requests and permissions, and sometimes need user interaction. Its actually less chaotic, the problem simply is that Flatpak ALSO tries to run all apps everywhere. And apps are mostly not up to date, so Flatpaks have randomly poked holes everywhere.

Today I worked on hardening configs for my apps. I maintain a list of recommended ones here. I will just put my overrides in my (currently still private) dotfiles, will upload them some day.

I am for example now Wayland only. Not all apps want to, but with the correct env vars (which I just globally set for all flatpaks, hoping it will not mess with anything), all apps use it.

This makes the system way faster, and applying different vars on the apps is very easy with Flatpak.

Literally no downsides!

Not true. It still has no updating mechanism, the binary may be official, but the rest are random libraries that may not be well versioned or controlled, etc etc.

The post is specifically about upstream supported Appimages, while Flathub is mainly maintained by the same 4 peolple (it is crazy). The request is for upstream devs to maintain Flatpaks.

But for sure not everything is nice. Runtimes are too huge, outdated apps cause huge library garbage, downloads are inefficient, …

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