masquenox,

Good going… you’ve just given Putin all the evidence he could possibly need or want to show people in Russia that Navalny was a US stooge.

All the bots in the world couldn’t have handed Putin this kind of propaganda.

Rapidcreek,

On the other hand, there isn’t a damn thing that won’t conform to Putin’s propaganda machine. If there is nothing, he’ll just make it up. To hell with him.

masquenox,

You’d think that on a politics community people would have a vague idea how propaganda works… but I guess I was expecting way too much.

Rapidcreek,

Point is I could care less what Putin uses for his propaganda

masquenox,

People who actually care about the hold that Putin has over Russia disagrees with you.

Rapidcreek,

Ha! So now I’m responsible for the willingness of Russian people who believe Putin.

masquenox,

Do you normally indulge in this kind of logical leaping? Careful you don’t jump off a cliff.

Rapidcreek,

You seem to think I should give a shit what Putin uses as propaganda. Your latest is to indicate that the Russian people who believe him should be taken into account. Their naivety isn’t my problem and I still don’t care what Putin says.

masquenox,

Do you also rejoice that Russia is winning the war in Ukraine at the moment?

Apparently, making life easy for Putin seems to be something you think should be celebrated.

Rapidcreek,

Apparently, not caring what fantasy Putin uses for propaganda is losing a war. Who woulda thought?

masquenox,

Tell me you’re a naive liberal without telling me you’re a naive liberal.

But hey… you do you.

Rapidcreek,

Tell me you don’t know what you’re talking about by making absurd arguments. There’s no stopping you from being you.

masquenox,

Whatever you say, naive liberal.

Rapidcreek,

Well at least you can call names even though you can’t make a logical argument

masquenox,

Logical arguments doesn’t seem to work on naive liberals.

Rapidcreek,

Whereas not knowing what one is … in any case have fun calling names

masquenox,

…but shallow nationalist histrionics do - as evidenced by your post.

Maybe I should rather manipulate you by telling you how Russian bots are going to lose you the election?

RizzRustbolt,

Yay… another nazi in congress.

TokenBoomer,

She looks like Elsa from Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. I’m sure it’s just a coincidence. /s

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/a37f1ab3-bb01-42cc-8548-df122eea8101.jpeg

GladiusB,
@GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

You know that was an actress right? Is everyone born with blonde hair this diminishes to you? Sounds a bit racist if ask me.

TokenBoomer,

If you’re unable to recognize sarcasm, consult a doctor.

GladiusB,
@GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

No one else saw it as sarcasm. Also I don’t really see how a sarcasm could be seen as sarcasm of sarcasm. The implication was that she didn’t look like a 1940s German. So you have sarcasm squared now? You were just jumping into irony with sarcasm?

I don’t think that is how those two works.

TokenBoomer,

Tautology… nice. /s

GladiusB,
@GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

Exactly

TokenBoomer,
GladiusB,
@GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

Very current. I’m glad you are working that boomer angle.

TokenBoomer,
mashbooq,

jesus, enough with the navalny-simping already

protist,

Why?

TokenBoomer,

But on review, Amnesty International concluded that comments made by Navalny some 15 years ago, including a video which appears to compare immigrants to cockroaches, amounted to “hate speech” which was incompatible with the label “prisoner of conscience”. Source

mozz,
@mozz@mbin.grits.dev avatar

Man... don't involve her in our bullshit.

I love the idea of Biden giving her honors, inviting her to the White House and talking with her, basically so that she can know that there are people on her side, to some degree, something like that.

The State of the Union isn't that. Marjorie Taylor Green is going to scream at her that she's secretly a transgender dolphin and Navalny was trying to steal all the gold that Dr. Evil buried under the Kremlin in 1966. Jim Jordan will try to serve her a subpeona so he can finally get to the bottom of Hunter Biden's laptop. There's all kinds of weird bullshit that goes on in the U.S. congress, and I genuinely don't think it's polite to expose her to it.

Just let us have our weird governmental thanksgiving with all our weird uncles and have the serious stuff happen somewhere else.

FiniteBanjo,

Actually, MTG’s compromisation aside, the two of them actually have a lot of policy stances in common. Navalny was anti-muslim xenophobe. Sure, he was the only one with the balls and following to stand up to Putin for so long, but it doesn’t change the quality of their character.

anticolonialist,

What is it with western countries like the US and Canada elevating right wing xenophobic nationalists, in this case the widow of one?

mozz,
@mozz@mbin.grits.dev avatar

I cannot for the life of me imagine who your target audience for this comment is.

I think most likely is just that you know it'll get people riled up, and that's fun.

HonkTonkWoman,
mozz,
@mozz@mbin.grits.dev avatar

I mean... yeah, I respect. He was an opposition candidate for a government that regularly kills its opponents. He organized for a while, he left Russia for Europe, and then he fucking went back to Russia to organize more. I barely know about any of this stuff and I still knew there was about a 90% chance he'd be killed. And look, they killed him. Because his aim was to bring an improvement to his home country's system of government.

I know one thing: If your goal is to have a comfortable life and more for yourself, and you're not that worried what happens to other people or what kind of world you leave behind when you're gone, you don't do that.

He could have had a long hug and a tongue kiss with Nick Fuentes and I'd still find a lot that's good to say about him. There's a lot I respect about Heinz Guderian even though he was a Nazi. There's a lot I respect about Martin Luther King even though he cheated on his wife. Lyndon Johnson had a ton of things wrong with him and I still like him. I have no idea if any of this about Navalny being far-right is in any way true; it's the type of thing the Putin regime likes to make up and repeat about its enemies, so maybe it's a load of horseshit, but honestly it doesn't impact my assessment of him all that much even if it's the God's honest truth. It is ok for people to support bad things and still be good people and have good things about them. Honestly, just the fact that whatever he was doing was enough for Putin to make him public enemy #1 is good enough for me.

This thing that certain segments of the Lemmy community try to do where you CANNOT support a person, full stop, if they have ever done thing X, Y, or Z, and it COMPLETELY NEGATES anything good they may have done even if there are significant qualifiers to the thing you're blowing up as X and they only were friends with people who did Y or Z, never did it themselves, and it was all twenty years ago... man, it's just a bunch of horseshit. I don't care. Navalny was clearly good, on the total balance, and you're not gonna be able to convince me otherwise unless he was secretly a serial killer and even then I would want to know how many people were involved and if they'd done anything to deserve it.

I'm not tryin to jump down your throat about it; I know the "completely negates" isn't actually what you were trying to say. I'm actually glad for the information even if I'm a little suspicious of the motives behind it. It sounds like we're more or less on the same page actually. I just thought he showed a ton of courage and commitment and I wish people on the left in the US, whatever they're going after, would have one tenth of his stones to get out and try to make it happen.

anticolonialist,

My audience would be the people cheering him on without knowing a single thing about him other than opposing Putin. Politically he was as much a threat to Putin being President as the mayor of Wallace Idaho being a threat to Trump or Biden.

givesomefucks,

Gotta do something to try and distract from the illegal invasion and genocide Biden does support…

Can’t be against all of it. That would be progressive.

Obviously it’s best to oppose one and support the other, it’s halfway between right and wrong, which means it’s moderate and obviously the best choice.

Imagine if we had a president that was right on Russia and Israel! That would just be too much. We need a leader not afraid to take completely contradictory positions and refuse to even attempt to explain why.

anticolonialist,

It tracks the US would invite the widow of a right wing xenophobic white nationalist to the SOTU. One would have thought Canada inviting a literal Nazi to their chamber would have taught them a lesson.

givesomefucks,

I think you’re confusing Navalny and putin…

anticolonialist,

Im not confusing anyone, Navalny wanted Russia for Russians, called for the extermination of Muslims that he equated to cockroaches and flies. He was the Russian version of Nick Fuentes

YeetPics,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

How many political opponents did navalny have killed or jailed? Must be a lot to outweigh lil’ putler

anticolonialist,

There are many other candidates polling way higher then Mr 6% did. He was jailed for trying to revive extreme right wing Nazi ideology, the same sentence he would have received in Germany. The West made him a martyr and westerners fell for it.

LongMember69,

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  • mozz,
    @mozz@mbin.grits.dev avatar

    I will be very surprised if you get an answer to this question.

    Also, this article touches a little on the truth behind the claims about Navalny and the campaign by the Kremlin to amplify them, and its impacts.

    mashbooq,

    navalny thought putin didn’t go far enough

    TokenBoomer,
    mozz,
    @mozz@mbin.grits.dev avatar

    Everyone should read the comments on this video.

    I would love to have a trustworthy source for what he's actually saying, as opposed to just the he-said-she-said, but that might be hard to find.

    eran_morad,

    You’re a useful idiot. I speak enough Russian to attest to the fact that this is not at all about Muslims. He never utters the word Мусульмане. So STFU and stop spreading propaganda.

    TokenBoomer,

    TIL the Washington Post is a useful idiot:

    In one notorious 2007 video, he equates Muslim militants with “cockroaches” that can only be dealt with by exterminating them. In another from 2011, he depicts himself as an unapologetic nationalist who will deport non-White immigrants from Central Asia and the Caucasus by ruthlessly deporting them.

    eran_morad,

    Post the video or STFU.

    TokenBoomer,

    The link is in the article. Would you like me to think critically for you too?

    eran_morad,

    You’ve demonstrated that you believe anything anyone tells you, why would i trust you to “think”? Why would i waste any more time engaging with you?

    TokenBoomer,

    I don’t believe what you’re telling me, so I seek out sources with multiple viewpoints. Then I make my own conclusions, based on logic and critical thinking. I’ve provided sources and links, you’ve provided anecdotal evidence. I’m not engaging with you, I’m speaking to everyone else reading this thread. Don’t trust me or an Israeli anti-terrorism expert, think for yourself.

    eran_morad,

    You want to be a fuckwit, have at it. Go ask a friend who speaks russian. Fuck off with you, already.

    gregorum,

    “🖕🏻 Can ya see this Putin?”

    — Biden

    EdibleFriend,
    @EdibleFriend@lemmy.world avatar

    100% a dark Brandon move.

    Gradually_Adjusting,
    @Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

    He once told Putin to his face “I don’t think you have a soul.”

    No poisoned undies yet 🫣

    FiniteBanjo,

    I hope it’s just that because I don’t like Navalny’s actual policy stances.

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