For Republicans, raw milk is the new masking

Essentially, for Republicans, it seems like avoiding raw milk is the new masking — and they’re just not going to do it in order to prove a point.

For instance, in April, Infowars host Owen Shroyer called the Food and Drug Administration a “gangster mafia” who wanted to “make raw milk illegal.”

“So, now that more people are going to local farms and farmers markets and consuming raw milk, this angers the FDA,” Shroyer said. “This angers Big Milk. Say, ‘No, you need to pasteurize milk, it’s a lot less healthy for you.’ See, eventually, they’ll just make it illegal. They’ll just make raw milk illegal. That’s what this is all about.”

henfredemars,

Leadership based on fear and outrage.

Shame.

finley,

Shameful

WhatIsThePointAnyway,

During a bird flu outbreak that has crossed over to cattle. Weird thing to do to your supporters.

jeffw,

Not that different from attacking masks and vaccines, is it?

Pistcow,

Cool,I can get behind more dead Republicans

themeatbridge,

Really, it’s very different. Avian flu is estimated to be more deadly, and also less contagious among humans. Covid was most dangerous to the sick and the old, as well as first responders and medical professionals.

In other words, the people who were careless about Covid19 precautions were not the people who suffered the most.

With Avian flu, and really anything else you might get from contaminated milk, the person who will suffer is the person who is being careless.

So if Conservatives want to ignore the best advice of smart people and drink poison, I’m not going to lose any sleep over it. I feel really bad for their children, of course, but I can’t stop them from where I’m sitting.

Gormadt,
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The best thing you can do to help their children is ensuring that public education continues to be funded and safe for all children

JoShmoe,

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Captainvaqina,

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CharlesDarwin,
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In other words, the people who were careless about Covid19 precautions were not the people who suffered the most.

I thought there were measurable differences in how many t-rumpians died vs. normal Americans?

themeatbridge,

There is some correlation between political affiliation and community death rates, especially as it relates to attitudes towards vaccinations.

But that doesn’t mean the anti-vaxxers are the ones who suffer. It means the communities where anti-vaxxers live suffer. That’s not the same thing at all.

We know how Covid works. We know how viruses work in general. Every infection is an opportunity for mutation, and every unvaccinated person increases the risk for the entire community.

A young, healthy individual has a relatively low risk of dying from COVID19. They should still get the vaccine, and take precautions against transmissions, because every infection is an opportunity for mutation, and every unvaccinated person increases the risk for the entire community.

I’ve heard from so many morons, “it’s just the flu, it’s no big deal, it’s not worth the inconvenience.” And they’re probably right, for them. But it’s far worse than the flu, it is a big deal, and the minor inconvenience of wearing a mask or getting vaccinated is nothing compared to the lives it would have saved if we had mandated these basic things.

Wiz,

I feel really bad for their children, of course, but I can’t stop them from where I’m sitting.

It’s worse than that, because if you warn them that their stupidity is dangerous to them and their family, they will dig in their heels and want to do it even more. They are intransigently stupid.

nilloc,

Regarding drinking poison. Some of them were attempting to take horse dewormer, and their moron in chief suggested injecting bleach or internal UV sterilization.

To be fair it turned out RFK Jr might have needed de-worming.

But yes, at least this time it’s less risky to the rest of us, though the less human cases, the lower the odds of bird flue evolving to inter-human transmission.

Spitzspot,
@Spitzspot@lemmings.world avatar

I did not have “rickets” in my 2024 GOP bingo card.

imPastaSyndrome,

Ah the new dying to own the libs

ShadowRam,

These same people don't believe in Darwinism, so "¯*(ツ)*/¯ "

CharlesDarwin,
@CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world avatar

I used the word “evolve” when talking about new strains of viruses to a co-worker who was a Young Earth Creationist. Dude was so triggered - it’s like I threw holy water on him and he barks out: “that’s NOT evolution! it’s not like cats turning into dogs or a monkey turning into a human!!!111”

Not even kidding. Where to even start with these people? Did they just entirely skip bio 101 courses? This guy actually went to university (but not anywhere near a coastal city) and got a bachelors in science. WTAF.

SlopppyEngineer,

These people are in their own reality. It’s a cognitive dissonance wrapped in layers of shoddy reasoning and tribal beliefs to keep it from unwinding. You can’t rationally reason with them and any attempt to do so will be seen as a personal attack. It’s the classic “you can’t reason somebody out of a position where they didn’t reason themselves into.”

Best you can do is going along, acknowledge their pain or fear that’s somewhere at the basis of this cognitive dissonance and ask some questions that might get them to thing like asking them to explain who taught them this or the “so why would God cause a new pandemic?” type of questions from time to time.

CharlesDarwin,
@CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, I find asking questions often tends to put them into a space they are not used to being in, depending on the question.

For instance, recently, I was visiting another relative during some larger gathering. I was flipping around channels and left it on CNN for a minute. Another relative (known for being a magabrain) drifts over to the TV and says, “CNN, eh?” and expects me to react in some prescribed way. I just shrug and ask “is there something wrong with CNN?” They honestly had no real answer. You could see them kind of thinking it through, esp. given the current content was something very innocuous.

I think I asked that anti-evolution type what they thought the difference between mutation and evolution was when they were objecting to the term “evolution” in regards to new strains of viruses. That was ages ago, it was probably around SARS or avian flu.

More recently, I asked one of those people going on about “gain of function” in relation to Fauci and Wuhan labs, etc., that I knew also to be an anti-evolution. I just asked them what they think gain of function means?

It’s not about trying to find trick questions - that tends to just have the blowback question. I find just trying to ask more innocent questions, ask them to define their terms, or what they are parroting means to them seems to have them go quiet for a while. I’m assuming they are mulling it over. It might not change their mind, at least not any time soon. But if I can at least get them thinking about what they are mindlessly repeating, I figure that’s a win.

MelodiousFunk,

Username, uh, checks out.

Love your work btw.

normanwall,

Should ask him to look at pictures from the last 100 years and multiply the changes by 60

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AbidanYre,

Extrapolating from those pictures? Rhinoceros?

ShadowRam,

Dude, the amount of engineers and technical people I meet that are creationists are astounding.

Like, you went through all that math and science. You know how it works. You trust it enough to get on an airplane or crawl under your heavy thing supported by a frame you built and worked the math out on.

You trust the material science, that you didn't actually do, other scientists did.

And yet you don't trust the math and science that went into proving the earth is older than 6000 years or whatever fucking random number they made up in your one fantasy book.

The mental gymnastics is just mind boggling.

Then they pull the, (well god put all that there when he created the earth to make it look like its that old)

That's about when I introduce them to the concept of the last Thursday theory.

One dude had the gall to say the Bible is the oldest written story, and I'm like DUDE! have you no idea about the Epic of Gilgamesh?

CharlesDarwin,
@CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world avatar

Huh, had to look up the Last Thursdayism thing.

I remember bringing up the Vedas when xtians bring up the “but the bible is the oldest written story”, and they were like…ve-what? The thing is that even though several people like this make their way through uni, they treat it as just a fancy vo-tech track and either shut off their brain entirely during anything unrelated to their narrow goal or consciously just learned to say what they thought “they” wanted and immediately discarded it. Certainly, they seemed to not have changed their mind on anything vs. what they believed leaving high school.

What’s even worse is when they get into discussions of morality - so many of them really do believe that people would not behave themselves and could not even have a society with a belief in their specific interpretation of their preferred version of an Abrahamic text. It’s just so provincial. Even if they had a philosophy course - it all just seems to bounce right off their skulls. They really do think that if their Jehovah/Allah/Yahweh didn’t supposedly set down rules like “don’t murder” that people would still be doing it.

nondescripthandle,

You don’t even need to go as far as engineers. How regular people trust all the science that makes their cell phones and cars and fast food, but none of the tech that scares them or challenges their understanding is hilarious. They’re like Amish people who got addicted to cell phones and mass produced food.

Dwayne_Elizondo_Mountain_Dew_Camacho,

I looked up Last Thursdayism also, it did not disappoint :

if the world was created 6,000 years ago with the appearance of being made billions of years ago, what is there to stop us from claiming it was made Last Thursday?

The debate on whether Last Thursdayism is true has raged on ever since the creation of the universe last Thursday.

ShadowRam,

I do like even the religious point of view that if God is almighty,

if God went to enormous lengths to convince us that the world is billions of years old, who are we to disagree?

Zehzin,
@Zehzin@lemmy.world avatar

Doctors should say avian flu is transmitted via pegging

Bytemeister,

It’s gotta be something they aren’t secretly doing already.

TransplantedSconie,

Wild that people choose to dance with Captain Trips.

Choosing to drink a product that contains a virus currently killing 50% of whatever it infects is absolutely detrimental to a long life.

Sucks that if it does make the jump to human to human spread we are fucked beyond belief and these ass hats will probably be the catalyst.

CharlesDarwin,
@CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world avatar

Uh, “new”? The lunatic fringe has been at this kind of thing since at least the 90s. Now, they just might be flooding the zone with shit, as Bannon so colorfully puts it, a bit more successfully and mainstreaming their bonkers position on raw milk to the typical RWNJ, not just the Hatriot Radio/Black Helicopter types from the 90s…

TexasDrunk,

Yep. I’ve told this story before but I’m turning into a rambling old man so I’ll tell it again. Several years ago I got into making my own cheese as a short lived but delicious hobby. It’s legal for me to go buy raw milk from farmers so I did. A lot of the people I ran into while getting it were absolutely bonkers q-nut types.

CharlesDarwin,
@CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world avatar

It’s more recent (2016), but Schitt’s Creek had an entire story arc around raw milk for an episode. It doesn’t get into the black helicopter crowd stuff, though.

EleventhHour, (edited )
@EleventhHour@lemmy.world avatar

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Veedem,
@Veedem@lemmy.world avatar

While that sounds straight forward in theory, these same idiots will give their children this same milk and wind up killing them.

Blackmist,

Still fits in the parameters of natural selection.

CharlesDarwin,
@CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world avatar

Also, “Big Milk”? LOL, these are probably some of the same dumbphucks that agitate against almond milk, oat milk, soy milk, etc…

Good god, these people are so stupid.

dumblederp,

That’s the woke range of milks.

CharlesDarwin,
@CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world avatar

Indeed, but the fact that they appropriate certain bits of language like “Big Milk” (which is continuing their campaign against “woke milks”) while championing drinking raw milk has a lot of irony to it.

BrokenGlepnir,

I don’t like youtube shorts much but I’m reminded of this youtube.com/shorts/VcYT1ZcB_5w?si=E1stp-oOBCE6GtP…

stoly,

There is a lobby for sure, but you’d expect these folks to be on the side of the businesses.

BeMoreCareful,

Getting back at the FDA for messing with insulin price freedom by getting rubes to drink unpasteurized milk?

just_another_person,

Let em go.

Ensign_Crab,

The more of them get infected, the greater a reservoir of infected exists in which the virus can mutate into something that can spread more easily.

solarbabies,
@solarbabies@lemmy.world avatar

Please no one tell them and let them drink their raw milk and get avian flu and perish.

lurch,

nah, you need to tell them. it keeps them going. they crave that edgy feel

SlopppyEngineer,

“Why did nobody tell me I would die from this?”

“Do your own research.”

stoly,

Apparently one of the conspiracies is that it will cause immunity to the bird flu. It’s like a chicken pox party, basically.

uebquauntbez,

Just wait until they notice beef is coming from cattle too … ;-p

Reminds me of ‘Soylent Green is people!’

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