macallik,

To the uninitiated, Firefish is to Mastodon what Kbin is to Lemmy

thanks_shakey_snake,

I have a friend who is even less initiated than that. Can you explain for his sake what that means?

themadcodger,
@themadcodger@kbin.social avatar

Firefish and Mastodon are both microblogging platforms (like Twitter) on the fediverse. Kbin and Lemmy are both forum style platforms (like Reddit).

Where Lemmy and Mastodon are for people who prefer a more basic just the necessities experience, kbin and Firefish provide a more stylish experience with more options and customization.

jerome,
@jerome@kbin.social avatar

HOLY SHIT... I just tried firefish.social and there's TONS of right wing anti trans lies in their trending "news."

No fucking thank you.

Jdreben,

What are you talking about? Trending isn’t even working right now… sources please.

jerome,
@jerome@kbin.social avatar

they posted multiple anti transgender stories. obvious astroturfing. I'm out.

cnnrduncan,

Isn’t that a problem with specific instances/federation rather than the software itself? There are some hateful right-wing Lemmy instances too but that doesn’t seem to be a problem for you as the instance you use has probably defederated from them.

russjr08,
@russjr08@outpost.zeuslink.net avatar

I mean, to be fair, the person you replied to is using Kbin rather than Lemmy - they’re interacting with a Lemmy community though.

jerome,
@jerome@kbin.social avatar

they seem to have an issue moderating content.

Chozo,

They're also not on your instance in the first place. You're looking at the Global feed. That isn't content from Firefish.Social, that's content from elsewhere on the Fediverse. Firefish.Social admins can't moderate content on another server.

jerome,
@jerome@kbin.social avatar

I went to firefish. I made an account. On fire fish I saw anti transgender astroturfing.
Does this mean firefish is free from all douchebaggery?
No.

Chozo,

I'm just saying, that's like buying a window from Lowe's, installing it in your home, and then being mad at Lowe's for having a bad view. They can't control what you see when you use the tool literally designed to look at the outside world.

PotatoesFall,

I’d be more interested in why than how

Blaze,
@Blaze@sopuli.xyz avatar

The interface is more customizable, and there are more features (quote posts, for instance)

GammaGames,

mastodon didn’t have quote posts because:

it inevitably adds toxicity to people’s behaviours. You are tempted to quote when you should be replying, and so you speak at your audience instead of with the person you are talking to. It becomes performative. Even when doing it for “good” like ridiculing awful comments, you are giving awful comments more eyeballs that way

source

Some mastodon apps do support quotes though, by loading any linked toots in the posts themselves

t3rmit3,

That just sounds like them deciding how I can communicate. Quoting is not inherently toxic, they’re just used to how Twitter users utilize it. I’ve also seen plenty of people use quoting of posts for boosting someone’s post without copying it, since copying it breaks the link back to the original post. I used to quote-tweet Patreon, GoFundMe, or donation link posts sometimes.

Jdreben,

It does everything Mastodon does but more, honestly. I use both, and definitely prefer Firefish. But I’m a developer so a lot of things about Mastodon really bothered me. The core difference is Firefish fka Calckey is being developed much faster and with a more modern stack. The click to play MFM feature was developed in a few days when the community was concerned about potential seizures due to unasked for auto playing or animated text.

A few key features: QT & Full text search (search I don’t use except for specific posts so can’t speak to that) MFM & cat mode (these are just fun, Misskey flavored markdown has things like tada and sparkle and rainbow. People make art with it)

Jdreben,

Probably more important are features such as channels and pages which are more like Facebook or MySpace. People have compared it to Tumblr because you can completely customize the interface. I hope it intros some more people to programming

EnderWi99in,

I'm with you. If we keep migrating to something else we'll never actually settle to create a real community. I'm sticking with Mastadon. It's grown into something pretty stable and decent at this point.

retronautickz,

Why stick to the worse one, though?

The point of federation is that you can create community with people all over it, no matter what software the server they joined is running.

Mastodon being too big to the point that 90% of it users things it’s the whole fediverse is not positive nor contributes to create an stable community. Many people coming from twitter run from the fediverse, because they’re told there’s nothing other than mastodon, which they find hard to use, lacking and extremely toxic.

Misskey, Firefish, Akkoma, GoToSocial, Microblogpub, etc give people other options that may fit their need for/usage of a microblogging platform better than mastodon does, as each (including Mastodon and each of its forks) has it’s own “profile”

On,
@On@kbin.social avatar

Why stick to the worse one, though?

Why is mastodon the worse one?

Many people coming from twitter run from the fediverse, because they’re told there’s nothing other than mastodon, which they find hard to use, lacking and extremely toxic.

Why is everyone so adamant that Mastodon should accommodate to users leaving Twitter by being a Twitter clone? It was meant to be federated, privacy friendly, self-hosted, less toxic twitter alternative for small communities , not a clone of Twitter. People act like everyone becomes seasoned to using Twitter or other mainstream social media websites by default and it's mastodon's fault they leave because its not exactly like Twitter. It's pretty straightforward to forget all about the fediverse and rant all day, just like Twitter.

It's one thing to improve UX for users and another thing entirely to specifically chaperone users leaving Twitter, which is not Mastodon's goals.

retronautickz,

Why is mastodon the worse one?

Lack of essential features and the toxicity within it servers.

It was meant to be federated, privacy friendly, self-hosted, less toxic twitter alternative for small communities

1- I didn’t say it had to be a twitter clone. What I said is that some people coming from Twitter that weren’t convinced by Mastodon, may be could have find other microblogging more adequate for their needs and usage. Each microblogging platform has its personality and usability, and Mastodon wasn’t for them.

The problem is when people are told that there’s nothing beyond Mastodon (regarding microblogging) on the fediverse, so they end up running away from the fediverse, after not finding a home on Mastodon.

2- It failed at being less toxic.

Witch hunts over petty arguments, negative reaction to newcomers not knowing how things work, racism that gets minimalised as “not as bad” by big part of the user base.

The fact that it doesn’t have quote posting because it “allows for toxic behaviour”, when other platforms have it and say toxicity is almost non-existant in using that feature, it’s in itself a red flag.

Blaze,
@Blaze@sopuli.xyz avatar

You are not really migrating anywhere, as Mastodon is compatible with Firefish.

beta,
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Firefish just has a different ✨vibe ✨ going on, although it’s not for everyone, here’s the guide I’d use:

Twitter -> Mastodon Reddit -> Lemmy Tumblr -> Firefish YouTube -> PeerTube

They all work the same, and are (to some extent interoperable), but it’s just what layout you’re used to the most.

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