It would be simpler to demand that the Israelis end the blockade, maybe condition the bombs they drop on Palestinians with letting aid trucks in. Have your cake and eat it too. Still more humane than this.
Sorry, but that’s too simplistic. Israel’s support is too engrained in the politics of the US and other countries, and they could easily throw monkey wrenches in all directions. It makes the situation worse, not better. Netanyahu has to removed, but as it is now he has to be worked through, and that’s what’s slowing everything down.
That’s not what I’m saying - Arabic nations still need to attend to their own home-grown evils before they can attempt to label other empires as such. You seem set on a particular mindset, and I’m not going to waste any more time with people twisting my words for their own agenda.
Airdropping aid to get around a blockade imposed by the Israel…who depends on our military aid to genocide the Palestinians. This is the height of absurdity
My brain is finally starting to fully develop at 32…I don’t understand this shit. What’s the point? Genuinely I want a reason for both sides in the matter. What’s the single sentence argument for both sides. No inflamitory talking points.
Without going too far into history, one side is tired of living in an open air prison and the other side is tired of terrorist attacks. It’s a self reinforcing conflict because neither side can win. Israel can’t bomb an idea and Hamas can’t terrorize an F-35 joint strike fighter.
Thank you for the response without chastising. My assertions were correct that Israel are essentially recreating operation Iraqi freedom with carte blanche? I get that it’s not your responsibility to educate me in this matter. I just have no clue what the fuck to believe based on vague internet opinions.
They are recreating Nazi Germany and Fall Weiss. They want to take over the entirety of Palestine to genocide the people within. They are talking about relocations, they are targetting civillians on purpose.
Iraqi freedom was a response to a single terrorist attack. Israel’s response is to decades of continuous attacks. While October was particularly bad, Hamas has been firing rockets and missiles indiscriminately into Israel on like a weekly basis for many years now. Israel has been able to protect themselves from this thanks to their Iron Dome defense system, but that doesn’t change the fact that they are shooting down rockets launched with the intent to kill their civilians.
On the flip side, Israel has been treating the Palestinians particularly badly. They severely restrict trade into and out of the area, restrict the travel of Palestinian civilians, and have been slowly stealing more and more territory from them by literally driving people from their homes, sometimes just straight up killing them. While claims of an “open air prison” are a bit hyperbolic, it’s not off by much.
Add to that a healthy dose of racism on both sides against the other and you are left with a massive mess that few people understand. There is plenty to hate on both sides because both sides have done, and continue to do, incredibly shitty things to each other. Neither Israel nor Hamas is right, and neither of them give a shit about the Palestinian civilians. Another issue is that the average civilian on both sides isn’t exactly dreaming of peace. Due to how long this has been going on for, if you took a random Israeli and a random Palestinian, odds are they would want to kill each other.
If this all seems exhausting and complicated and you aren’t sure what side is ‘right’, know that’s ok. Our minds are not made to be so globally connected, and while this conflict may be getting a lot of media attention, it’s hardly the worst conflict that’s occurred in living memory, and arguably not even the worst currently going on. It’s also likely also far removed from you. If you’re from the States, it’s literally on the other side of the world. Just know, there’s a shit ton of propaganda that really, REALLY wants you to pick a side and will paint the other as demons, when in reality both sides are pretty shitty.
I know this is a week old, but I really appreciate this reply. This was eye opening on a few levels. You took a great deal of time to illustrate what’s going on. Thank you.
Honestly for me…both. I know what I am capable of as a human. I know what I am capable of with a team. I know what I am capable of with a community. I know what I am capable of with a state. I know what I am capable of with a nation. The answer is both. And it’s the only correct answer to your question.
That person wasn’t saying anything of substance, they were being flippant. It’s crazy how defensive people get. We can easily feed both groups of people, but we choose not to. That’s the truth.
North America has the capability to get their fingers in every single international affair but doesn’t give a flying fuck about their own people and it infuriates me
It’s great that we are air dropping for gazans but we have the capability to stop Israel but we don’t, this is just virtue signalling imo
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See that carrier in the Mediterranean? Park that bitch right off the coast of Gaza and start shipping food and aid straight in, what the fuck is Israel going to do about it
The uss liberty incident didn’t have the real time eyes that the public has in Gaza.
They won’t put troops on the ground because they don’t trust IDF to not fuck that up, but if they did…
there is zero way that it’d be as contained as the Liberty was (we’re all gonna know about it roughly five minutes after it happened,) and no way that Biden won’t be forced to respond- aggressively- when everystarts blasting videos of IDF missiles hitting American marines/sailors/soldiers/airforce.
Dare them to do what, the US supports them. The US isn’t staring anyone down here, they’re watching a genocide and selling the gas for the chambers.
Absolute fantasy that they’re some saviours here, they enabled this and are getting enough push back to make the barest effort to appease critic in an election year.
That would change overnight if we had personel getting pasted by IDF while dropping off supplies.
One of the big differences between now and USS Liberty is by how much coverage these things get. It would be hard to keep it out of the media.
Besides which, LCACs have been used before in exactly this role. (They’re hovercraft designed to drop off tanks in a beach. IIRC, they were used in Africa?)
That would change overnight if we had personel getting pasted by IDF while dropping off supplies.
We had citizens in the war zone for a month until Egypt made a corridor. NPR was talking directly to them as they begged the US government to help them get out.
Not a bad idea, but you’d be relying on the IDF and Hamas not to fuck it up. The odds of a fuck-up increases exponentially with every idiot you add to a situation.
We can call up almost a third of Israel’s total population into active military service with minimal problems.
No recruiting drives, no drafts, that is just in our already active and reserves.
We probably have more special services members who cut their teeth on war in the desert and urban areas than Hamas had at their full strength in ordinary soldiers.
We have spy satellites that can practically, and in all likelihood actually can, read the text off pages.
We got so good at making super bombs that we got bored and said “Hold my Beer” and then stuck some fucking swords on a missile just to show off.
The US Military is basically the real life version of r/HFY.
It would take a special kind of stupid to start some shit when we are handing out food and trying to appease both sides of the political spectrum, and just give the US a legit reason to fuck around for Real Real in the Middle East again.
Are you kidding me? The IDF is committing a genocide that will ensure Israelis are unsafe for decades to come, they literally could not be acting in a more stupid fashion.
They absolutely are that stupid.
Also I find it hilarious y’all think that conservatives in the US would actually genuinely care if someone they had decided was an ally (Netanyahu) killed US servicemen. Conservatives don’t actually give a flying fuck about the lives of US soldiers like they don’t actually give a fuck about the lives of US children.
Conservatives would absolutely sit there and take it if Netanyahu killed US soldiers. Maybe the left would immediately push for military action but it would be fighting against a bunch of spineless cowards because Netanyahu would just blame it on Biden and Conservatives would 10000000% run with that narrative no matter what the reality was.
Sending anything in on the ground creates a risky situation that could quickly escalate. The US is not going to do that without careful coordination with Israel.
It’s also an active war zone with RPGs, small arms, IEDs and all the fun and benefits of also being an Amazon driver. Anyone who signs up for that also might become a collateral target of Hamas/IDF/Islamic Jihad. Airdropping is marginally safer for people delivering aid. The whole situation is fucked.
Marginally??? If someone even accidentally shoots down a US aircraft they will be regretting the decision for a long time. It would immediately turn US public opinion against them.
Yup…Israel said Hamas was flying the supply planes from the US. They were right when they said that it was actually Hamas that blew up every single hospital in Gaza, so I have no reason to doubt them. (/s, for the fucking jamokes would believe this, or any bullshit Israel spews, to be true)
Every service member is entitled to defend themselves. Some do it by launching flares. Others do it by firing anti radiation missiles at any missile system doing enough to target them.
But honestly, the Israelis aren’t going to do that. They aren’t cartoon villains. They are smart and know exactly what they want and how to get there.
But honestly, the Israelis aren’t going to do that. They aren’t cartoon villains. They are smart and know exactly what they want and how to get there.
Yeah cartoon villains usually don’t commit genocide, and see the thing here is that Israel has no fucking clue how to get where they want to go and they are blindly engaging in mass violence that will ensure Israel will be unsafe for decades to come (can you imagine how badly you would want to hurt the people who murdered your entire family for no reason?).
You can be veryyyyy smart and still be a fascist at the same time unfortunately.
Not only does the United States supply Israel with weaponry, it also provides them with literally billions of dollars for military spending, which it’s able to spend in its own military industry. It’s pretty fucked up.
Without military aid, Israel can’t exist. Maybe they shouldn’t exist but, since Israel is unlikely to agree, they would just turn to China or (more likely) Russia for that aid. That would not be a good thing for Palestinians.
Russia aiding Israel would probably place it in opposition to Iran. This might actually be a good time to move support from israel to ukraine and just see what happens.
Pretty sure that quit being true round 1985. At this point, even with no military aid, it’s a “real country” and ending it would be expensive in every sense of the word for all trying.
A recent U.S. intelligence estimate indicated that Israel’s current weapons stockpiles only enables it to wage war against Gaza for an additional 19 weeks, unless Washington sends more ammunition.
Northern Gaza is hard to reach. In recent weeks there was talk about dropping food aid. Then Hamas took pictures of themselves with their anti aircraft man pads and missles. That made private air drops impossible, as civilian flyers don’t even have counter measures for that. King Abdullah of Jordan and world kitchen then gave it a shot, and there was no AA. Now the US Airforce will give it a try. They have to fly low on these drops, so look out below.
Now you can downvote this truth I don’t really care. Says more about you than me.
There are zero reasons why Hamas would prevent food and aid being delivered to the people they are fighting for. Might want to lighten up on the amount of BS propaganda you’re consuming.
Do the people in Gaza believe that there is a threat of Hamas destroying/seizing humanitarian aid? No! If anyone is going to stop it or destroy it it’s going to be Israel. The nation that won’t allow “include anesthetics and anesthesia machines, oxygen cylinders, ventilators and water filtration systems.”
The Palestinians’ violence looks a lot like “the struggle of peoples for their independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial domination, apartheid and foreign occupation by all available means, including armed struggle”. en.wikipedia.org/…/Palestinian_right_to_resist#Le…
Iran and the Hamas leadership have never had the Gazan civilian's best interest at heart; they've just used Israel and the fight against occupation as an excuse to maintain power and expand their influence.
Israel is conducting this genocide, but Israel never would have had an excuse to enter the Gaza strip without the attack on October 7th. Hamas had to have known their attack wouldn't accomplish anything and would illicit a strong and disproportionate response from Israel. Now the citizens of Gaza are paying the price while the Hamas leadership fucks off to chill in Qatar.
That would be almost as stupid as attacking a country with an extreme rightwing government run by people who are looking for an excuse to use their incredibly powerful military to seize your land. A government run by a corrupt politician that would love to have a war that lasts as long as possible so they cling to power.
Hamas probably wouldn't shoot down food aid planes, but they're certainly stupid enough to try.
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