Israelis stage largest anti-government protest since the war in Gaza began

Tens of thousands of Israelis gathered outside the parliament building in Jerusalem on Sunday in the largest anti-government demonstration since the country went to war in October. They urged the government to reach a cease-fire deal to free dozens of hostages held by the Hamas militant group in Gaza and to hold early elections.

Israeli society was broadly united immediately after Oct. 7, when Hamas killed some 1,200 people during a cross-border attack and took 250 others hostage. Nearly six months of conflict have renewed divisions over the leadership of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, though the country remains largely in favor of the war.

Netanyahu has vowed to destroy Hamas and bring all the hostages home, yet those goals have been elusive. While Hamas has suffered heavy losses, it remains intact.

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Excrubulent,
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Wow, I can’t believe all these Hamas agents got so embedded into Israel that their own family members were amongst the hostages. They’re playing the long game. I guess the IDF needs to start bombing Israeli cities, Hamas could be hiding anywhere at this point!

Deceptichum,
@Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works avatar

Now imagine if they actually protested against the genocide they are committing.

Makes you wonder how many of these protesters would be fine with it to continue if there was no hostages.

TheFriar,

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. At this point, pressure on the far right psychos in charge of Israel is a good thing, even if the protesters motives are less than ideal.

Deceptichum,
@Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works avatar

And if those protesters are also far right psychos?

TheFriar,

Stopping the ongoing genocide is fucking unquestionably necessary. If the far right psychos manage to put pressure on other far right psychos in order to do so, so be it. We’re not signing some pact with them. We’re trying to save lives.

Deceptichum,
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The ongoing genocide didn’t start on Oct 7th, nor will this ceasefire stop it.

TheFriar,

No shit. But even a ceasefire will save some lives. This “all or nothing” attitude is so detrimental to progress.

Yes, incrementalism is a disease, yes, signing treaties with far right genocidal maniacs is dicey at best, dropping aid as people continue to die isn’t enough. But cutting off any step in the right direction at the knees because “not good enough” is just so foolish.

We. Need. To. Save. Lives.

Do we also need to stop the genocide? Yes. Absolutely.

We need to dismantle capitalism. But that doesn’t mean that passing strict regulations in the meantime is a waste of time. See what I’m saying?

Deceptichum,
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It’s not an all or nothing attitude, it’s a I’m not going to celebrate a slow genocide approach.

Me dismissing of Israel’s genocide is not going to cause more people to die in the interim.

Nor are these people protesting because they care what the international community thinks of them.

They are protesting for selfish reasons. I have zero influence over this situation, so let me hate on genocide.

TheFriar,

Are you hating on genocide? It sounds like you’re trying to be the “no, I’M THE MORE RIGHTEOUS AMONG YOU!” person here. Because no one here is taking a pro-genocide stance. You’re drawing lines in the sand to say who can and can’t be helpful in saving lives because their motives aren’t pure.

That’s like a passerby rushing in to stop someone else from drowning a third person because they were worried they’d be charged too if they didn’t do anything. And you’re just standing on the beach shouting through cupped hands, “NO! DONT LISTEN TO THAT PERSON, THEIR MOTIVES ARENT PURE!”

So, in effect, you’re arguing for nothing to change if the people with some possible power to change it don’t agree with you. Sounds like a kinda pro genocide stance.

Orbituary,
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That’s unclear. What is clear is that they’re either unaware of the genocide on their doorstep, unwilling to stand up for that, or indoctrinated to ignore it.

theacharnian,
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There is no collective guilt for the crime of genocide.

robocall,
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What’s the likelihood that any of the Israeli hostages are still alive?

PhlubbaDubba,

Apparently Hamas transports them via ambulance, so depending on their exact reasons for doing that, the possibilities are all over the damn place

mosiacmango,

Savvy way to make ambulances in Gaza less of a target for Isreal, which will hopefully keep some injured Palestinians alive as well.

metaStatic,

would probably make them more of a target tbh

PhlubbaDubba,

Yeah Bibi’s basically all but come right out and said that the Israeli military is now killing the hostages themselves to prevent them continuing to be used as negotiation chips.

They’re to be executed for the crime of the Israeli public seeing them as a reason to negotiate with Hamas instead of exterminate them without prejudice.

TheFriar,

Don’t be fooled, Israel has killed a few of their own hostages, and, as the article stated, the “brig the hostages home” line is more of a cover for the ongoing genocide than an actual worry of Israel. They’ve had multiple chances to save hostages, and have repeatedly bombed places intel told them hostages are being held. Israel does not give a shit about the hostages. It’s emotional leverage to continue eradicating Palestinian people, razing their land, settling there themselves, and punishing everyone in Gaza.

The country that has repeatedly fired upon people receiving aid, shot their own hostages, slaughtered people waving white flags, carpet bombed “safe zones,” told civilians to leave an area only to shoot/bomb them as they ran, deliberately starved the people of Gaza, and shot in the foot multiple chances to get their own hostages back, believe it or not, does not give a shit about saving people. It’s all for corrupt ends.

This channel did a great video on the subject

DragonTypeWyvern,

Well that explains why the IDF keeps murdering people in ambulances!

SkippingRelax,

No they are just psychopaths.

Toldry,
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It’s pretty likely that at least some are still alive, since they were probably held in the Hamas tunnels under Gaza, safe from bombs.

Hamas knows that living hostages are their strongest cards in negotitation, and they have historically gone to great lengths to secure this advantage.

SkippingRelax,

Pretty high, until someone from IDF finds them and shoots them

Linkerbaan,
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Netanyahu quickly went for a little surgery break.

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