Viking_Hippie,

“Hostage rescue” raid = yet another attack on a civilian population under false pretenses.

slurpinderpin,

“Civilian”

Viking_Hippie,

Yes, most of the people killed by the IDF are innocent civilians. This is a fact that IDF themselves admit.

slurpinderpin,

All the innocents were put in unnecessary danger by Hamas committing a heinous terrorist attack. Chicken or the egg? War is bloody and messy, and the IDF didn’t start this war, Hamas did

Viking_Hippie,

All the innocents were put in unnecessary danger by Hamas

Yeah, because Gaza is just FULL of places for Hamas to hide where there’s absolutely no civilians around! 🙄

committing a heinous terrorist attack.

True, but the horrific slaughter of 1200 innocent civilians doesn’t justify the IDF committing genocide, horrifically slaughtering at least 30000 innocent civilians so far.

the IDF didn’t start this war, Hamas did

The conflict is one of the most powerful and advanced militaries in the history of the world committing genocide on mostly civilians. That’s not a war.

And it didn’t start in October. It started over 75 years ago with the Nakba, which was a campaign of pro-Israel terrorism to kill and displace Palestinians to make room for settlers.

slurpinderpin,

To your first point, that’s exactly what I mean. They started a war and went and hid amongst civilians. They are the war criminals.

And miss me with all the 75 years ago bit, this specific war started on Oct 7. Hamas picked a fight they knew they could not win and were willing to put all innocent Palestinians at risk.

We can argue about IDF tactics all we want, but the blood is on Hamas’ hands

goferking0,

both Hamas and IDF are war criminals…

Viking_Hippie,

Ok, I see that my suspicions that you’re unreachable by objective reality and unwilling to consider anything but the narrowest of perspectives were well founded, so I’m just going to stop wasting my time and effort on you now.

Have the day you deserve.

slurpinderpin,

I’m a small guy, I don’t go pick fights with giant MMA dudes, because I’m not an idiot. Hamas seems to not be so smart, and are willing to sacrifice all of their fellow countrymen to make a point. I don’t feel bad for them whatsoever, especially when 75% of them support brutal terrorist attacks

reuters.com/…/poll-shows-palestinians-back-oct-7-….

DolphinMath, (edited )

I just want to remind people that there were protests against Hamas in Gaza that were going on in August 2023.

Gaza Protests Struggle to Gain Traction as Police Crack Down

Edit:

See Public Opinion Poll No (91) from April 15th 2024 For a more recent update.

Not sure about the accuracy of the polling given the current climate, but wanted to share a primary source regardless

slurpinderpin,

And then their popularity went UP after Oct 7. So I’m guessing those protestors were really just upset that Hamas wasn’t being violent enough

DolphinMath, (edited )

Not exactly? https://slrpnk.net/pictrs/image/9b99c991-3d8c-48e0-96a4-0e52050e4b08.webp

https://slrpnk.net/pictrs/image/20857d74-fe3b-49b6-a13e-02f82f6bc290.webp

slurpinderpin, (edited )

I mean it went from 53% for armed struggle before to 63% after… it was only after they got their ass whooped that they all of sudden wanted peaceful negotiations and the armed struggle demographic went down

And support for Hamas went from 22% up to 43%, after the attack. Thank you for proving my point further

Edit: how the fuck did this get downvoted hahahaha can you people not read simple charts? Support for Hamas WENT UP AFTER OCT 7 - y’all for real stupid af lol

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