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dual_sport_dork, to politics in How the recycling symbol lost its meaning
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

It’s not the recycling icon. It is a “resin identifier code,” and the symbol is meant to resemble the recycling icon in a deliberately deceptive manner while remaining technically different.

spujb, to politics in How the recycling symbol lost its meaning

OP did you intentionally change the title? It seems intentionally misleading and inflammatory compared to the one I get when I visit the article page.

How the recycling symbol lost its meaning

Because, of course, capital got America addicted to plastic. A symbol can do no such thing and can only represent such a change.

jeffw,

Nope, wasn’t intentional. Probably the site updated the headline or I didn’t realize that the Lemmy “autofill” was wrong. Updating it now

spujb,

slay ✨

jeena, to politics in How the recycling symbol lost its meaning
@jeena@piefed.jeena.net avatar

If you think America is dependent on plastic you should visit Asia. Here is an anecdote which explains it:

I went to a supermarket to buy some food. I saw readymade duck meat and it looked deliciousdelicious. It was packaged in a transparent plastic bag inside of a hard plastic shell. I tried to take it but one of the grandmas who work there snatched it out of my hand and put it into another plastic bag. Then I went to pay for it and they put my nice plastic package into a plastic bag so it's easier for me to carry.

By that time my 200 grams of duck meat was packaged in four layers of soft and hard plastic.

Or bread, in Germany, Poland and Sweden where I lived before they put bread into a paper bag, which makes it stay crispy. Here in Korea the bread goes into a clear plastic bag, which then goes into a plastic bag for carrying. If you let in be in the plastic, once you're home the bread is almost soggy.

spujb,

cool but i still think America is pretty dependent on plastic haha

jeena,
@jeena@piefed.jeena.net avatar

Cool. I never said it wasn't, I just added more information about other countries, lol

spujb,

Ah fair sorry. I usually see that figure of speech (if you think __ then __) as dismissive of the former term.

My apologies for the misreading.

Templa, to food in Can electric woks produce great stir-fry?

I hate that all the new buildings where I live have gas stoves. I really want electric induction to take over, I don’t understand how it is okay to build something that uses literal fire considering everything here in north america is built using wood. It’s crazy.

agegamon,

Advertising campaigns that straight up lie (“now you’re cooking with gas” and that kind of shit) don’t help. Nor do the substantial natural gas subsidies that some states offer ng suppliers.

Then again, it’s only been very recent that electric induction ranges in north americ have been offered at sane price points. Up until recently it wasn’t easy to find an induction range for under $1k, whereas now it’s a bit more realistic.

People also get unreasonably attached to their cheapo $25 nonstick (even if it was marked up to $200 with some bougie brand name) and will refuse to ditch it for actual quality cookware when they find out that their $25 pan isn’t induction compatible.

BarryZuckerkorn,

Gas stoves are simply much, much better to cook with than resistive heating electric stoves. You don’t need to lie, you just need to try both out and come to that conclusion on your own.

Induction stoves do address almost all of the drawbacks of resistive electric heat, but are significantly more expensive than gas at the entry level: usually about twice as much for the stove/range itself, and then operating costs and maintenance tend to cost more over time. But it also makes certain high end features much more accessible: French cooktop style flexibility, precise temperature control, easier to clean, etc., so high end induction is comparable to high end gas.

chocoladisco,

How is maintenance on an induction stove higher? Asking as someone using them in both a personal and professional capacity.

Unlike gas there are no moving parts, nothing that can get clogged. There is basically no need for fire safety inspections.

shasta, to food in Can electric woks produce great stir-fry?

I don’t see why it would taste different. It’s not like grilling where the fuel ever directly touches the food

howrar,

The flame does touch the food. At least, according to the Kenji quote in the article.

Templa,

I’m not a fan of Kenji López-Alt, I’ve visited a bunch of restaurants he recomended and they were all pretty meh.

Not saying he’s wrong or anything, but I wish they’d asked someone else lol

howrar,

Food preference is very individual, so understandably, not everyone is going to have the same tastes as him. But that’s a pretty poor reason to favour a different voice when it comes to objective claims on food science.

BarryZuckerkorn,

The article specifically did ask two other people, who gave more equivocal answers, saying that the flame is part of the answer but that most of it comes from just the high temperature.

Either way, on this particular question, you can visually see the flame ignite the aerosolized droplets. Note that it’s not unique to Chinese or wok cooking, as you can see a similar phenomenon with French chefs sauteing mushrooms in butter, where the flame can flare up at the edge of the pan. The taste comes specifically from that flame above the food, not below the pan.

WaterLizard, to food in Can electric woks produce great stir-fry?

While I know it isn’t an exact match to the flavor you can get from Wok Hei, I’ve pulled off some great dishes using a wok intended for electric stoves. Being a renter, finding apartments with a gas range in my area of the US is impossible. So I’ve made due with a wok with a slightly flatter bottom to help assist.

I haven’t tested it yet, but using a kitchen torch is another option to add that flavor depth. Serious Eats has a write up on it and I’ve seen Kenji use his as well to intensify the Wok Hei.

BlameThePeacock, to food in Can electric woks produce great stir-fry?

Fossil fuel use for cooking is a non-problem as far as climate change goes. The amount used for that purpose is a rounding error in the global carbon emissions. We can absolutely keep cooking with fossil fuels if we manage to phase out their use for heating, electricity generation, and transportation.

They absolutely do screw indoor air quality though, which is why I plan on installing a gas wok burner in my outdoor kitchen once I can afford to.

Anamana,

They absolutely do screw indoor air quality though, which is why I plan on installing a gas wok burner in my outdoor kitchen once I can afford to.

This. Read some studys about it recently. Didn’t know it was such a big issue before. My bedroom is literally like 4m away from the kitchen and my flatmates never close doors when I’m gone :D

Venator,

The problem with gas stoves isn’t the stove itself, but rather the foot in the door with adding a gas supply, which results in gas being used for other purposes on the same premises.

Climate town has a great video about it: youtu.be/hX2aZUav-54

Tbh though I’m not sure it has the same effect for businesses and seems a bit over zealous to me to ban it from restaurants for that reason; but the other reason to ban it from commercial premises would be to reduce fire risk. I used to work in a mall and the number of times the noodle place set off the alarm was quite annoying and probably even more annoying and a waste of time for the fire department 🚒🧑‍🚒

ericjmorey,

FYI - Cooking indoors on electric power sources also screws indoor air quality anytime any fats or organic matter reaches its smoke point or burns. In fact, relative to the food, the methane heat source isn’t as big a factor.

BarryZuckerkorn,

I’m personally interested in seeing a direct comparison of which air pollutants are released by cooking the exact same dish in induction versus gas. I’ve seen some small studies analyzing resistive heat versus gas, but nothing that compares the actual high heat cooking discussed in this article.

Anecdotally, I’ve set off smoke detectors with electric stoves, so obviously the cooking itself can create air pollutants. I’m just interested in seeing that quantified between cooking methods.

ericjmorey,

I’m not trying to downplay the pollutants from incomplete burning of methane (or other gas) combustion. I’m trying to highlight that it isn’t the only consideration when discussion policy or making personal decisions.

Cooking with an electric heat source will produce an equal amount of pollutants from burning oils and organic matter compared to a gas heat source. But a methane or other gas heat source will produce additional (and different) pollutants. Ventilation is important in both scenarios.

Paragone,

Sorry, but air-quality damage from gas cooking & air-quality damage from burning cooking-oil have nothing to do with each-other.

Both create harmful air.

Cooking with electric stove ( induction seems to be the cheapest, next to microwave, in terms of energy ) removes the air-quality harm done by gas.

Burning cooking-oil harms air-quality no matter what heating-technology was used to produce the mistake.

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ericjmorey,

Both create harmful air.

That’s exactly my point.

alyaza, to food in Can electric woks produce great stir-fry?
@alyaza@beehaw.org avatar

this article is a byproduct of some delightful media news (Grist acquiring the long-shuttered ), incidentally

quindraco, to politics in Arizona wants to mine uranium near the Grand Canyon. Tribal nations are fighting back.

They’ve got uranium fever.

NatakuNox, to politics in Arizona wants to mine uranium near the Grand Canyon. Tribal nations are fighting back.

We don’t need more uranium. We have enough high quality uranium just sitting on top of enough missiles to destroy humanity 30x over. Let’s use that uranium before digging more up.

partial_accumen,

We have enough high quality uranium just sitting on top of enough missiles to destroy humanity 30x over. Let’s use that uranium before digging more up.

We actually were for a couple of decades! It was started under Bush Sr and Gorbechev as the START I and START II agreement. source

During that time the USA and Soviet Union (and then Russia) agreed to dismantle a whole bunch of bombs and de-rate the nuclear material into civilian grade nuclear fuel. For decades the former warheads slowly burned up in American (and other countries) civilian nuclear reactors. It was one of the most hopeful things I ever saw from humanity. Growing up in the 80s we were sure we were going to die from nuclear ICBMs, and here were that same nuclear material safely breaking apart for our civilian electricity.

Then Putin happened, and all that stopped.

ShittyBeatlesFCPres, to politics in Arizona wants to mine uranium near the Grand Canyon. Tribal nations are fighting back.

“Arizona” in the headline meaning some mining company and not all the people who live, work, and enjoy that region.

Drusas,

The article says Arizona, as in the government of Arizona. Bought out by mining companies? Absolutely, I'm sure. But it is still Arizona.

jaybone,

Haven’t companies in Arizona and New Mexico been doing this since the 1940s when the federal government and military was developing the first nuclear bombs?

Boddhisatva,

Earlier this year, Arizona lawmakers sued the Biden administration over the newly created Baaj Nwaavjo I’tah Kukveni

If successful, Arizona’s lawsuit would open Baaj Nwaavjo I’tah Kukveni to more economic development, and specifically, livestock grazing and uranium mining.

The headline in no way implied that everyone in the state wants it. A reasonable reader would clearly assume that the state government wants it, and that is true. The lawmakers of the state of Arizona are suing the federal government so they can allow new uranium mines on tribal lands.

Maggoty,

Some lawmakers. Because with Democrats swiping state wide offices, lawsuits are about the only power they have left.

some_guy, to politics in A water crisis in Mississippi turns into a fight against privatization

I would almost think Hershey was involved if this wasn’t USA. I believe they do evil with water in Africa. Not sure if they do evil with water anywhere else. Fuck Hershey.

jeffw, (edited )

That’s Nestle lol. Wrong chocolate maker

Edit: I think the worst that Hershey did was to be founded by a raging conservative

some_guy,

Thanks for the correction!

d00ery, to politics in A water crisis in Mississippi turns into a fight against privatization

The largest water company in the UK is going through severe issues thanks to privatisation. A company that uses public facilities (sewers, reservoirs) to operate a monopoly. www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41152516

Deceptichum,
@Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works avatar

Privatisation is one of the most damaging things neolibs have done to the world.

streetfestival,
@streetfestival@lemmy.ca avatar

Insofar as I understand it, privatisation is the very purpose of neoliberalism

EditsHisComments, (edited ) to politics in A water crisis in Mississippi turns into a fight against privatization

I love how they mention it isn’t just a Jackson problem. I grew up in MS - several hours away from Jackson - and the water often wasn’t clean, either due to it literally being dirty or having some issue from the treatment facility. Boil water notices were common, and I was from a nicer area. I never realized that wasn’t the standard of living until I moved away.

In MS, especially in Jackson, there was a lot of blame being thrown around and broken promises made while the residents literally bathed in brown water. Combine this with the fact MS has critically underfunded many services in general, and seldom offers sustainable public options, it was a recipe for disaster. I’m hopeful change actually happens this time, because the people there desperately need it. The State has neglected them at every turn, but they’ve generally been conditioned to believe there are no viable alternatives to the current styles of leadership.

GrymEdm, to politics in A water crisis in Mississippi turns into a fight against privatization

"Over the decades, antagonism between the Republican state government and the Democratic and Black-led local government created additional obstacles to updating Jackson’s water and sewage infrastructure. A Title VI civil rights complaint that the NAACP filed with the EPA in September 2022 accused Governor Reeves and the state legislature of “systematically depriving Jackson the funds that it needs to operate and maintain its water facilities in a safe and reliable manner.”

Add “clean, safe water” and “proper sewage systems” to the list of things being unnecessarily made political. I may not support some political views but I want to “win” on merit and due process, not because folks are desperate for the most basic of human needs. Depriving people of clean water because you don’t like how they vote is pretty evil in my books.

hermitix_world,

Republicans are fine with evil, as long as they get to pick who it’s pointed at.

goferking0,

They want to make sure it hurts the ones they hate

EditsHisComments,

The Mississippi Delta is no better, and they vote similarly to Jackson. The state’s government thrives on depriving its people to bolster their own interests.

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