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winterayars, to privacy in Microsoft CEO of AI: Online content is 'freeware' for models • The Register

Man it’s crazy how these fuckers basically get to ignore copyright law whenever it’s inconvenient to them but if you have one too many Windows machines provisioned they’ll send the Spanish Inquisition after you.

EnderMB, to privacy in Microsoft CEO of AI: Online content is 'freeware' for models • The Register

I’m fine with that, but let’s put some rules against this.

  • Any AI models should be able to determine the source of their data to a defined level of accuracy.
  • There should be a well-defined way to block data from being used by AI. If one of these ways (e.g. robots.txt) has been breached, the model has to be rebuilt without the data, and reparations made to the content owners.
ayaya,
@ayaya@lemdro.id avatar

What you’re asking for is literally impossible.

A neural network is basically nothing more than a set of weights. If one word makes a weight go up by 0.0001 and then another word makes it go down by 0.0001, and you do that billions of times for billions of weights, how do you determine what in the data created those weights? Every single thing that’s in the training data had some kind of effect on everything else.

It’s like combining billions of buckets of water together in a pool and then taking out 1 cup from that and trying to figure out which buckets contributed to that cup. It doesn’t make any sense.

EnderMB,

Respectfully, I worked for Alexa AI on compositional ML, and we were largely able to do exactly this with customer utterances, so to say it is impossible is simply not true. Many companies have to have some degree of ability to remove troublesome data, and while tracing data inside a model is rather difficult (historically it would be done during the building of datasets or measured at evaluation time) it’s definitely something that most big tech companies will do.

ayaya,
@ayaya@lemdro.id avatar

Sorry, I misinterpreted what you meant. You said “any AI models” so I thought you were talking about the model itself should somehow know where the data came from. Obviously the companies training the models can catalog their data sources.

But besides that, if you work on AI you should know better than anyone that removing training data is counter to the goal of fixing overfitting. You need more data to make the model more generalized. All you’d be doing is making it more likely to reproduce existing material because it has less to work off of. That’s worse for everyone.

socphoenix,

It’s not impossible lol. All a company would need to do is keep track of where they were getting content. If I use a script to download as much of the internet as possible and end up with a bunch of copyrighted content I could still get in trouble, hell there was even a guy arrested for downloading jstor without authorization.. Stop letting these guys get away with crimes just because you like the idea of the end product

AstralPath,

Sounds like homeopathy lol

cy_narrator, to linux in Furi Phone FLX1: Debian smartphone debuts • The Register

Furry Phone yay

Lettuceeatlettuce, to privacy in Microsoft CEO of AI: Online content is 'freeware' for models • The Register
@Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml avatar

Sure thing…now GPL/Creative Commons all your code involved in any way for your models, documentation, parameters, data sets, and allow full unlimited integration and modification by any parties to any portion of it.

toastal, to privacy in Microsoft CEO of AI: Online content is 'freeware' for models • The Register

The social contract? Tf. The social contract still required attribution in almost all cases for creative work unless explicitlf stated otherwise—especially in the case of comercial products like ChatGPT—so I don’t know where this joker is getting his ideas.

themurphy, to privacy in Microsoft CEO of AI: Online content is 'freeware' for models • The Register

Fair, then everything I can find on the Internet must be freeware too. Set the sails, matey!

SlopppyEngineer,

No officer, this is not a pirated movie. It’s generated by an AI model I created and trained with data from the internet and the fact that it’s 99% identical to an existing movie is irrelevant.

Agathon,
@Agathon@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

my AI is so good, it generated one that’s 100% identical

plus my AI uses less than 99% of the electricity of Microsoft’s

Fermion,

Can I just call lossy compression AI and use this as a defense?

Iapar,

It is an algorithm… So yes.

M500,

Also, this ground breaking AI model I made to do this was umm accidentally erased and I also forgot how to do make it.

Jury: “seems reasonable”

SuckMyWang, to privacy in Microsoft CEO of AI: Online content is 'freeware' for models • The Register

Cool so we can just make up our own rules now. Well, all Microsoft products are freeware now because the same reason this guy

jmcs,

Windows XP code was leaked 2 years ago, so it’s freeware according to this idi… stable genius .

electro1,
@electro1@infosec.pub avatar

Ok… so from now on … when I see a “repackaged” Microsoft product that for some reason… which I don’t care to know… doesn’t ask for a payment… I can use it without restrictions ?!! that’s really nice of you Microsoft … thank you.

xilliah, to privacy in Microsoft CEO of AI: Online content is 'freeware' for models • The Register
underisk, to privacy in Microsoft CEO of AI: Online content is 'freeware' for models • The Register
@underisk@lemmy.ml avatar

Wow the head of AI for MS doesn’t know what the word freeware means.

possiblylinux127,

The definition is being changed by Microsoft

possiblylinux127, to privacy in Microsoft CEO of AI: Online content is 'freeware' for models • The Register

So Windows XP source code leak is now freeware?

ssm, to privacy in Microsoft CEO of AI: Online content is 'freeware' for models • The Register
@ssm@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

I’d like to see this “CEO of AI” stand on the same ground as the CEO of Sex

jqubed, to privacy in Microsoft CEO of AI: Online content is 'freeware' for models • The Register
@jqubed@lemmy.world avatar

I look forward to the lawsuits that will ultimately cost this man his job.

t3rmit3, to technology in Microsoft CEO of AI: Online content is 'freeware' for models • The Register

There is leaked Windows source code online… Is that also freeware for me to train an OS-building model on?

RootBeerGuy,
@RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Sorry, you need high quality data for training.

vrek,

The Linux source code is also online…

smeg,

Seems like we’re all in agreement that all information should be free, I look forward to them open-sourcing every proprietary bit of code they have

FuCensorship, to privacy in Microsoft CEO of AI: Online content is 'freeware' for models • The Register
@FuCensorship@lemmy.today avatar
bigmclargehuge, to linux in Furi Phone FLX1: Debian smartphone debuts • The Register
@bigmclargehuge@lemmy.world avatar

These specs actually seem really solid for the price point, I’m glad to see decent alternative smartphones popping up that actually have some power.

What’s bugging me is the lack of information about the software. Apparently this is Android with a layer like Hallium to run a Debian userspace on top? And yet they don’t advertise that fact. It’s just a little off putting that this product seems to be aimed at Linux/general tech enthusiasts, yet the company seemed to miss the fact that those customers tend to really like knowing what they’re running under the hood.

fiercekitten,

I thought $500 for only 6GB of ram is really disappointing.

bigmclargehuge,
@bigmclargehuge@lemmy.world avatar

I mean, I use maybe 3-4gb at any given time, without limiting myself. I personally don’t need heaps of RAM, 6gb is enough to have some overhead for me.

I haven’t looked at too many prices recently, I’ve had the same phone for a while, but this doesn’t seem to unreasonable imo, especially considering this is the first product from a small, new company.

fiercekitten,

Oh wow 3-4 is great. My current android phone is using 9Gb out of 12. It’s insane. I have no idea what’s using it all.

I hope that since this phone isn’t running android, 6gb will be enough.

linmob,

It should be. With zram, I can use similar software even on a 2 GB RAM device somewhat comfortably, unless I open too many tabs in Firefox.

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