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bermuda, to technology in Apple slams Android as a 'massive tracking device' in internal slides revealed in Google antitrust battle

pot calling the kettle black are we

(I just googled this phrase since to be honest I didn’t know its origins and I really prefer the 1639 version “Pot calling the pan burnt-arsed” now)

zzzzz,

Pot calling the pan burnt-arsed

Thank you for this!

LunarLoony,
@LunarLoony@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

“Pot calling the pan burnt-arsed”

Now the phrase makes a lot more sense

ultra,

We have a phrase in Romanian: shard laughing at the broken pot

Skies5394, to technology in Apple slams Android as a 'massive tracking device' in internal slides revealed in Google antitrust battle

Slides from 20 years ago.

This is news, yes, especially considering that Apple made a deal with the devil considering its new self-reported bloom as privacy focused.

But news headlines are acting like Apple just said this today, and that is complete headline bait.

baseless_discourse,

10 years ago, I dont think android was released on 2003.

The 2013-era slides describe, in typical modest fashion for Apple, its overall approach at the time to privacy.

thingsiplay, to technology in Apple slams Android as a 'massive tracking device' in internal slides revealed in Google antitrust battle
@thingsiplay@kbin.social avatar

At least we know about it.

SNFi, to technology in Apple slams Android as a 'massive tracking device' in internal slides revealed in Google antitrust battle

Ah! I just configured yesterday my router to block all the Apple tracking requests (via DNS)… My Android don’t have Google, so they are technically wrong, there is no Apple OS with no tracking (as it is closed source).

EDIT: Also, we don’t need to listen them, we have proofs: www.scss.tcd.ie/doug.leith/apple_google.pdf 😼

lisko, to technology in Apple slams Android as a 'massive tracking device' in internal slides revealed in Google antitrust battle

Says Apple lol

villasv, to technology in Privacy advocate challenges YouTube's ad blocking detection scripts under EU law

At this point I’m just holding for dear life to piped.video, because illegal front-ends are my only hope to keep watching YouTube.

tesseract,

The first thing that we all need to change is letting rich corporations decide what’s legal and what’s illegal. If using an alternative frontend can be considered illegal, then these corporations are guilty of crimes that would get them guillotined.

beejjorgensen, to technology in Privacy advocate challenges YouTube's ad blocking detection scripts under EU law
@beejjorgensen@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

As much as I hate ads and hate the concept that I would be forced to view them, these kind of legal wranglings freak me out. It seems quite possible that a ruling in my favor here would be used against me somewhere else. Courts and lawmakers don’t understand technology and don’t realize the effects laws have. And frankly, the rest of us don’t have much idea, either.

blindsight,

I’m not sure how this one could be problematic; you just decline to consent to your browser being identified when you click into the site, or not decline if you want that feature for whatever service needs it.

It’s not saying it’s illegal to collect at all, it’s just illegal to collect without consent.

cmnybo, to technology in Privacy advocate challenges YouTube's ad blocking detection scripts under EU law

If that is successful, I would expect youtube to switch to simply checking if the ads were actually served to the user. That wouldn’t require checking for adblock on the users computer. Of course the adblocker would just download the content and not display it if they did that.

thejml,

Either that or merging the ad into the video stream itself. This would make it un-skippable, but would also be unblockable without stream processing (there are commercial skip options for ffmpeg and similar encoders, so not completely impossible, but much more work and more likely to mark real content as a commercial as well).

Car,

Thankfully it seems that encoding ads into the video stream is still too expensive for them to implement.

I’m assuming that asking CDNs to combine individualized ads with content and push the unique streams to hosts does not scale well.

blindsight, (edited )

Since they target ads demographically and ads change frequently, that would be a mess… The encoding, storage, and tracking would be a Big problem.

If they go this route, it would only make sense if they build a new video codec that allows for linearly splitting content at key frames so they can concatenate the ads with the video in a single file at runtime.

But then couldn’t ad detectors just start playback at the key frames?

Even if it works, it would still be a Big Deal since re-encoding all of YouTube would be Hard. I guess they could just use the codec for all newly added material. Playback might suck on older devices, too; idk if they use h264 (that has dedicated hardware decoders)?

jmcs,

If they go back to contextual ads instead of making the NSA look like reasonable people, they could pre-insert them like some podcasts do

noodlejetski,

and for that, there’s SponsorBlock sponsor.ajay.app

lemmyvore,

It’s not that expensive. You can mix or overlay stuff over a video stream fairly cheaply. Sure, it will be a hit overall for their bottom line but they’ll do it if they have to.

They can also turn on DRM for all videos on the platform. Currently it’s only used for paid videos and it’s very hard to bypass.

GissaMittJobb,

I don’t think that inlining ads into the stream would be expensive, because of how adaptive streaming formats work. There are probably other reasons why they haven’t chosen this option yet.

Car,

This seems simple for one stream, but scale that up to how many unique streams that Youtube is servicing at any given second. 10k?

Google doesn’t own all of the hardware involved in this video serving process. They push videos to their local CDNs, which then push the videos to the end users. If we’re configuring streams on the fly with advertisements, we need to push the ads to the CDNs pushing out the content. They may already be collocated, but they may not. We need to factor in additional processing which costs time and money.

I can see this becoming an extremely ugly problem when you’re working with a decentralized service model like Youtube. Nothing is ever easy since they don’t own everything.

GissaMittJobb,

So what you would do is to generate the manifest files (HLS/DASH/what have you) on the fly to include the segments with ads. Since adaptive streaming is based on manifests, that stitch together segments of video files that together make up the underlying content in different bitrates, you can essentially just push in a few segments of advertising in-between the segments representing the underlying content. This isn’t particularly hard to do, and you’d get the full benefit of the CDN for the segments, so there’s really no issue.

thingsiplay,
@thingsiplay@kbin.social avatar

or merging the ad into the video stream itself. This would make it un-skippable

That's not true. Besides the point that people can skip any video content manually anyway, I already use a Firefox addon called "SponsorBlock for YouTube - Skip sponsorships", which is configurable and works for other sites as well. The skip points are community maintained, but with the help of AI it should be easy to detect ads automatically. The point is, there are already tools to help with skipping video encoded content.

lemmyvore,

There’s nothing to skip if they overlay small ads while the content is playing.

On the bright side such small ads may be less annoying than full screen ads.

WeLoveCastingSpellz,

Probs a sponsor block like thing could work

MiddledAgedGuy, to technology in Word turns 40: From 'new kid on the block' to 'I can't believe it's not bloatware'

My nostalgia is telling me WordPerfect 6 for DOS was peak word processing. Also apparently I’m nostalgic about a word processor, surprisingly.

drwho,
@drwho@beehaw.org avatar

WP 5.1, here. Borrowed the installation disks from work and photocopied the keyboard overlay.

bedrooms, (edited ) to technology in Word turns 40: From 'new kid on the block' to 'I can't believe it's not bloatware'

Boy... I wonder how old this author is.

They wrote 7MB is impressively small, but they also wrote that it was in 1984. And I guess 7MB in 1984 is likely big... I've heard of computers in the 80s with kilobytes of RAM.

Especially if it's 7MB source code after compressing it into zip.

LazyCorvid,
@LazyCorvid@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

IBM released a 10MB HDD for the PC in 1983.

The most common storage format in 1984 was the 5¼ inch floppy disk which had a capacity of 360KB, though they had introduced a 1.2MB one in 1984.

7MB was huge in 1984

pbjamm,
@pbjamm@beehaw.org avatar

I dont think I owned a computer with more than 2MB RAM until the mid 90s.
in 1983 16kb would have been pretty normal. The Apple Lisa was released in 1983 with 1MB RAM and cost $10k.

ultratiem,
@ultratiem@lemmy.ca avatar

My first boss told me about his first computer. The entry level model was 4KB of RAM. The upgraded model had 8KB. The salesman looked my boss dead in the eye and said “you’re never going to need 8KB!”

drwho,
@drwho@beehaw.org avatar

Makes one wonder how big the resulting binaries are after compilation.

lol3droflxp, to technology in Word turns 40: From 'new kid on the block' to 'I can't believe it's not bloatware'
@lol3droflxp@kbin.social avatar

What an incredibly annoying piece of software. I avoid it wherever I can but it’s unfortunately standard where I work.

TheFerrango, to technology in Word turns 40: From 'new kid on the block' to 'I can't believe it's not bloatware'

I wonder if at least one non empty line from the original code is still present in today’s desktop version

haukesomm,

In Firefox there is a Stack implementation that hasn’t been touched since the very beginning of the project. I bet there’s something like this in Word

lol3droflxp,
@lol3droflxp@kbin.social avatar

Something for sure

bedrooms,

Definitely there's something like

/* TODO fix this: I don't know why changing this line crashes the program */

sir_reginald, to linux in Free software pioneer Richard Stallman is battling cancer
@sir_reginald@lemmy.world avatar

I hope he gets over it. He was a true visionary.

Car, to technology in Linux distros vulnerable to 'Looney Tunables' root bug

Buffer overflow is dead. Long live buffer overflow

Fizz, to technology in Linux distros vulnerable to 'Looney Tunables' root bug
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

That’s a cute name. I bet security researchers favorite part of the job is naming the vulnerabilities

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