How are they concealing it? I have heard news reports citing the Gaza Health Ministry’s claims of tens of thousands of casualties since the war began. I believe they are correct (how many are non-combatants is debatable).
Anyone who is paying even a little bit of attention knows that many civilians are getting killed. Only a small minority seem to care.
" On Thursday, lawmakers voted 269-144 on an amendment to prohibit the State Department from citing statistics from the Gaza Health Ministry. "
Their death toll numbers have been very accurate in the past. The Defense department has also cited them.
No other group is allowed to enter Gaza (by Israel) to independently verify the death toll. Gaza Health Ministry is the only reliable source. This bill effectively censors the Gaza death toll.
I came to posit that if the government doesn’t release the numbers we have a press to do that. Supposed to do that. Used to do that. Can’t tell if even this story tried to do that.
Fuck the genocide deniers. Block all the info you want. Those of us who are sane, and aren’t bought by AIPAC money see through it all. All your attempts are transparent and ultimately futile. We know what Israel is doing, what info we do have clearly paints them as genocidal. Innocents dont murder journalists. Your reputation is shredded, Israel. Hopefully we can stay mad at this and AIPAC long enough to end lobbying. Destroying a lot of the incentive to be a complete piece of shit.
If Hamas killed 4 on Oct 7, that puts the ratio at 26:1.
Israel estimates that 1200 were killed on Oct 7.
A recent estimate puts Israel at 34,900 killed.
Thats a ratio of about 29:1. Is that acceptable to you?
I’m doing this not because there is any acceptable level, but to highlight the absurdity of the idea that there even is one. Hamas needs to be held accountable for its crimes. Israel needs, at a level about 29 times more so, also needs to be held accountable for their crimes.
The idea that any level of incidental murder is acceptable is absurdist, and you are a terrible person if you think there is one.
To me, if my children or wife had been taken hostage. There would be no limit to the ratio I would be willing to accept to get them back.
Hamas still has hostages captured that day they are tying to use for negotiations.
The difference between my opinion and yours is that you consider it incidental murder, while I consider it a war that Palestinians are losing. War kills people, and acceptable casualties (enemy, friendly, and even innocents) are literally part of the calculations made by every single country that has ever participated in a war.
And how many hostages does Israel have? Do Palestinians not have the same right, that if their family has been taken hostage, to do anything to get them back?
They get it, but they believe that some lives are less important than others. When someone holds that position I haven’t found an argument to convince them otherwise.
To me, if my children or wife had been taken hostage. There would be no limit…
So then, when about all those people killed in the process. What about the mothers and children dying? The ones that are not directly involved in this fight either. Do their spouses get the chance for the same level of revenge once they’re killed?
But the whole thing is confusing because there’s AIPAC, AIPAC PAC. And AIPAC super PAC, along with less obvious overlaps.
This is intentional because the entire reason AIPAC exists, is former methods of Israel lobbying the American government had been shut down.
Journalist and lawyer Isaiah L. Kenen founded the American Zionist Committee for Public Affairs (AZCPA) as a lobbying division of the American Zionist Council (AZC), and they split in 1954.[9] Kenen, a lobbyist for the Israeli government,[8] had at earlier times worked for the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs. As a lobbyist, Kenen diverged from AZC’s usual public relations efforts by trying to broaden support for Israel among traditionally non-Zionist groups. The founding of the new organization was in part a response to the negative international reaction to the October 1953 Qibya massacre, in which Israeli troops under Ariel Sharon killed at least sixty-nine Palestinian villagers, two-thirds of them women and children.[9] As the Eisenhower administration suspected the AZC of being funded by the government of Israel, it was decided that the lobbying efforts should be separated into a separate organization with separate finances.[9]
Because he put his friend of decades, Blinken, as secretary of state for his presidency. The same state department who is blindly repeating Israeli lies and refusing to do any investigation into these war crimes thus further protecting and enabling Israel and it’s genocide.
Biden has pushed funding and weapons to the Israeli military despite clear evidence they will be used for the genocide of Palestinians. So yes he is responsible.
Not really. The Great Famine that the British forced on Ireland took 7 years. The Holodomor took multiple years. Even The Holocaust went on for years and that was industrialized genocide and not a deliberate famine. Not all genocides are quick.
Oh ok, so when third parties were trying to negotiate the ends to the Holodomor, Holocaust, and potato famine were those people trying to end those guilty of genocide?
We’re probably never going to be able to see eye-to-eye on this since you clearly see the war as the Jewish people vs. the Palestinian people. Meanwhile, I see it is as two groups of right wing fanatics fighting each other while civilians are caught in the crossfire, at best. But to me, it looks a lot more like they’re deliberately being starved, slaughtered, and/or held hostage.
Maybe someone else on here has the time to debate a sea lion if you want to post more but it’s Taco Tuesday and I have important taco-related business to attend to.
**16. **Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.
Ghazi Hamad, a member of Hamas’s political bureau, says in an interview with a Lebanese TV channel that the terror group will repeat the October 7 attack time and again until Israel is annihilated.
“Hamas should surrender”
And I guess until they do, Israel will continue to kill children? I mean, if the baddies are hiding behind children you are fully allowed to bomb them into a red mist. Just say they were hamas and you are good to shoot and bomb them. It’s only just because, you know, hamas!
Israel has lost all morality and has become which they suffered so much under.
You are implying, or outright saying it, that it is OK to bomb children. You support that because, what else can Israel do? Right? How about: don’t bomb your way through children
Discussing the morality of hiding behind children is another one all together. I (almost) cannot believe you hold this opinion. Turning 5 year olds into a red mist of blood because…reasons. You want it justified, you want Israel to be able to kill little children.
No need to reply, you are a despicable person holding these opinions.
I also - now, try to follow along here - don’t personally command the Israeli army.
This might shock you but I’m not pointing at things telling them where to shoot or bomb.
This is going to also be a pretty big shock to you, but, bear with me.
If Hamas surrenders right now then this conflict ends.
If Hamas didn’t attack on 10/7 then this conflict wouldn’t be ongoing.
Once this conflict is over there will be millions of Palestinians living in and around the region.
Oh also one other thing - you’re fine with mass murder and carnage, as long as it’s against Israelis. That’s what you’re saying when you don’t say Hamas should surrender.
You are so, so wrong here. These children are not hamas, yet you equate them nonetheless. Notice how I did not take a side other then the children’s side. And yet, you argue.
This tells me all I need to know, I have seen your stance already. Not because I want to see something, it’s your arguing the matter that tells all I need to know.
“Oh also one other thing - you’re fine with mass murder and carnage, as long as it’s against Israelis. That’s what you’re saying when you don’t say Hamas should surrender.” And there it is, took you long enough. None said any such thing, you are making this up and you know it. Next up: calling me an anti-semite…
All I did was argue to not kill children and you argued and keep arguing it is an option, a valid option at that. See, if only hamas surrenders right now then all will be fine. This is a lie, a way to justify the killing of children. Well, you argue this point while you know the little children have no say in this at all. So instead of making the correct moral decision to not kill children, Israel chooses to do so anyway, knowing fully well that the kids have no say in the matter.
You keep being despicable and it just gets worse with each post.
It’s OK to hold Israel to account for killing innocent people, it is OK to ask Israel to stop bombing little kids. You will not loose anything of value of you are opposed on these stances. Be good, take the moral path. This is a softball position to hold and yet…you fail at it.
See, you still want to couple hamas and the allowance to kill children. I purposefully decoupled them because I know what will happen, bizarre discussions where “he said she said” will be abound.
No, there is no story or excuse to kill children. It is that simple. I am at a loss that this is not understood or agreed upon.
Are the children hamas? Do they have a say in this?
Insane that you keep pushing the hamas narative where these kids have no blame or influence over them being bombed. Yet you keep equating the existence or actions of of hamas with it being OK to kill little kids.
Wow, are you really this thick or are you putting on a show?
Read carefully, you have been told this before but it doesn’t register it seems:
hamas is irrelevant to the position of israel killing kids.
Israel killing kids is solely and purely the responsibility of Israel the moment they pull the trigger or drop bombs on them.
Why is it so so so difficult for you to understand this simple statement: you do not bomb your way through kids to get at your target.
You know, this insistent clowning around this morally simple topic of you is starting to make me think you are a troll Denying reality and relishing in the pain and hurt of others. Little kids in this case seems to be your…niche? Or is it a fetish? Either way, something is really wrong with you.
FYI, I will now block you as I have no interest debating or discussing with people who find justice and reason in infanticide.
Yes, both Carter and Reagan picked up the phone, told Israel they wouldn’t get any weapons and they immediately backed down. That’s the leverage the US has over them, and it can be used any time.
He’d definitely try. Although it’s not necessarily our weapons that are the import part. Mostly how we (USA) does cover and is the silent protection against any western powers doing anything
Biden also fucked over Obama and Hillary when trying to put pressure on Israel, so it’s not even a recent thing for biden to be just ensuring they get weapons
Asked about those findings on Monday, Miller noted that Israel said there were no tanks in the area, and that the State Department couldn’t attest to any particularities because it is only conveying what Israel has said.
The Washington Post previously confirmed there were armed military vehicles in the vicinity, as did Al Jazeera’s analysis of satellite imagery.
Most expansive intelligence apparatus on the globe, but they just can’t figure out what’s going on in Gaza.
Genocide Joe and the state department are on that CCP grind.
“No that never happened. Israel said so. Yes we have seen your evidence but israel denies those claim so it never happened. There is no Genocide in Ba Sing Se”.
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