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teodor_from_achewood, to politics in Red Crescent Refutes State Department, Says Israel Never Reached Out About Hind Rajab’s Death

Now you’re saying Israel is solely responsible, before you were saying Biden was solely responsible.

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Can you link to where I said Biden is solely responsible? And when israel became a single person

Suavevillain, to politics in 62 Democrats Join 207 Republicans in Vote to Conceal Gaza Death Toll
@Suavevillain@lemmy.world avatar

There are way too many evil people in power in this country.

zerog_bandit, to politics in 62 Democrats Join 207 Republicans in Vote to Conceal Gaza Death Toll

What is there to conceal? Pretty sure it’s only Hamas that’s died so far.

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar
warbond, to world in 62 Democrats Join 207 Republicans to Conceal Gaza Death Toll

What’s the justification? That the numbers are coming from Gaza officials?

goferking0,

Just that the numbers makes Israel look bad

Stovetop, to politics in 62 Democrats Join 207 Republicans in Vote to Conceal Gaza Death Toll

Paywall

LodeMike,

Loginwall actually. Just put in a random email.

Ensign_Crab, to world in 62 Democrats Join 207 Republicans to Conceal Gaza Death Toll

Genocide has broad bipartisan support.

CoCo_Goldstein, to politics in 62 Democrats Join 207 Republicans in Vote to Conceal Gaza Death Toll

How are they concealing it? I have heard news reports citing the Gaza Health Ministry’s claims of tens of thousands of casualties since the war began. I believe they are correct (how many are non-combatants is debatable).

Anyone who is paying even a little bit of attention knows that many civilians are getting killed. Only a small minority seem to care.

IndustryStandard,

" On Thursday, lawmakers voted 269-144 on an amendment to prohibit the State Department from citing statistics from the Gaza Health Ministry. "

Their death toll numbers have been very accurate in the past. The Defense department has also cited them.

No other group is allowed to enter Gaza (by Israel) to independently verify the death toll. Gaza Health Ministry is the only reliable source. This bill effectively censors the Gaza death toll.

Hobbes_Dent, to politics in 62 Democrats Join 207 Republicans in Vote to Conceal Gaza Death Toll

Fucking registerwalls.

I came to posit that if the government doesn’t release the numbers we have a press to do that. Supposed to do that. Used to do that. Can’t tell if even this story tried to do that.

simplejack,
@simplejack@lemmy.world avatar

I wish the mods would make a rule to require users to provide an archive link as a back up.

Deceptichum, to politics in 62 Democrats Join 207 Republicans in Vote to Conceal Gaza Death Toll
@Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works avatar

Remember to vote blue.

ganksy,
@ganksy@lemmy.world avatar

Or better yet don’t vote. Let fascism have a swing at it. I’m sure 207 soulless horse traders can do better than 62.

yesman,

Say, what do you call someone who openly works for the fascist cause?

Nougat,

Let’s see … seven letters, starts with an F, ends with a T …

Fuckwit?

ganksy,
@ganksy@lemmy.world avatar

I was assuming the comment I was replying to was satire

Ensign_Crab,

Congressman.

Mastengwe,

Accelerationists 2024!

(Obligatory /s)

pivot_root,

If only the system wasn’t designed to squash third parties. Blue gives very little fucks either, it seems.

Sanctus, to politics in 62 Democrats Join 207 Republicans in Vote to Conceal Gaza Death Toll
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

Fuck the genocide deniers. Block all the info you want. Those of us who are sane, and aren’t bought by AIPAC money see through it all. All your attempts are transparent and ultimately futile. We know what Israel is doing, what info we do have clearly paints them as genocidal. Innocents dont murder journalists. Your reputation is shredded, Israel. Hopefully we can stay mad at this and AIPAC long enough to end lobbying. Destroying a lot of the incentive to be a complete piece of shit.

BlameThePeacock,

Innocents don’t murder journalists…

Hamas killed four Israeli journalists on Oct 7th during the attacks.

“but Israel is doing it worse”

How many people are they allowed to kill in retaliation for Oct 7th? Zero? 1:1? 10:1?

No country in the world would get attacked and not retaliate if they had the means.

TropicalDingdong,

How many people are they allowed to kill in retaliation for Oct 7th? Zero? 1:1? 10:1?

I mean you asked the question, whats your number?

Because Israel has killed 104 as of today.

If Hamas killed 4 on Oct 7, that puts the ratio at 26:1.

Israel estimates that 1200 were killed on Oct 7.

A recent estimate puts Israel at 34,900 killed.

Thats a ratio of about 29:1. Is that acceptable to you?

I’m doing this not because there is any acceptable level, but to highlight the absurdity of the idea that there even is one. Hamas needs to be held accountable for its crimes. Israel needs, at a level about 29 times more so, also needs to be held accountable for their crimes.

The idea that any level of incidental murder is acceptable is absurdist, and you are a terrible person if you think there is one.

BlameThePeacock,

To me, if my children or wife had been taken hostage. There would be no limit to the ratio I would be willing to accept to get them back.

Hamas still has hostages captured that day they are tying to use for negotiations.

The difference between my opinion and yours is that you consider it incidental murder, while I consider it a war that Palestinians are losing. War kills people, and acceptable casualties (enemy, friendly, and even innocents) are literally part of the calculations made by every single country that has ever participated in a war.

TropicalDingdong,

And how many hostages does Israel have? Do Palestinians not have the same right, that if their family has been taken hostage, to do anything to get them back?

You dont get it. Its clear that you dont get it.

triptrapper,

They get it, but they believe that some lives are less important than others. When someone holds that position I haven’t found an argument to convince them otherwise.

ramble81,

To me, if my children or wife had been taken hostage. There would be no limit…

So then, when about all those people killed in the process. What about the mothers and children dying? The ones that are not directly involved in this fight either. Do their spouses get the chance for the same level of revenge once they’re killed?

Do you not see that inequality and what it does?

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Member Shireen Abu Akleh?

Israel killed an American journalist and Biden doesn’t care.

Not sure what your comment has to do with the post though.

givesomefucks, to politics in Progressives on AIPAC’s Defeat of Bowman: “Now We Know How Much It Costs to Buy an Election”

Moderates when republicans take Russian money:

This the greatest threat to our nation, no one should ever take money from another country in exchange for favorable policy!!!

Moderates when moderates take Israel’s money:

The people have spoken and they want pro-genocide policy!!!

Serinus,

AIPAC is American money.

readsludge.com/…/whos-funding-aipacs-political-sp…

$5 million from WhatsApp, $2m from Home Depot, half a million from Kraft.

givesomefucks,

forward.com/…/its-time-for-aipac-to-register-as-a…

wrmea.org/…/aipac-election-role-raises-question-o…

jpost.com/…/AIPAC-case-asks-Who-is-a-foreign-agen…

But the whole thing is confusing because there’s AIPAC, AIPAC PAC. And AIPAC super PAC, along with less obvious overlaps.

This is intentional because the entire reason AIPAC exists, is former methods of Israel lobbying the American government had been shut down.

Journalist and lawyer Isaiah L. Kenen founded the American Zionist Committee for Public Affairs (AZCPA) as a lobbying division of the American Zionist Council (AZC), and they split in 1954.[9] Kenen, a lobbyist for the Israeli government,[8] had at earlier times worked for the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs. As a lobbyist, Kenen diverged from AZC’s usual public relations efforts by trying to broaden support for Israel among traditionally non-Zionist groups. The founding of the new organization was in part a response to the negative international reaction to the October 1953 Qibya massacre, in which Israeli troops under Ariel Sharon killed at least sixty-nine Palestinian villagers, two-thirds of them women and children.[9] As the Eisenhower administration suspected the AZC of being funded by the government of Israel, it was decided that the lobbying efforts should be separated into a separate organization with separate finances.[9]

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIPAC

Ensign_Crab,

No centrist cares. They found their technicality.

givesomefucks,

Yeah, but PACs are so normalized some people may honestly not understand why AIPAC should be registered as a foreign actor.

Pretty much the only reason they’re not, is AIPAC donates to the people on the committee that makes that decision.

It’s always worth it to post sources. It’s not just for the benefit of who you’re replying to.

reagansrottencorpse, to world in Red Crescent Refutes State Department, Says Israel Never Reached Out About Hind Rajab’s Death

Israel should be invaded and occupied indefinitely until Palestinians are free.

Fedizen, to politics in Red Crescent Refutes State Department, Says Israel Never Reached Out About Hind Rajab’s Death

“reaching out” is how the IDF describes shooting people

Deceptichum, to politics in Red Crescent Refutes State Department, Says Israel Never Reached Out About Hind Rajab’s Death
@Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works avatar

Why is Biden so shit? Its like he would rather genocide than stopping Trump.

teodor_from_achewood,

Why are you blaming Biden

Deceptichum,
@Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works avatar

Because he put his friend of decades, Blinken, as secretary of state for his presidency. The same state department who is blindly repeating Israeli lies and refusing to do any investigation into these war crimes thus further protecting and enabling Israel and it’s genocide.

Why aren’t you?

teodor_from_achewood,

Biden’s been trying to get both sides to agree to a ceasefire.

You talk as though Biden himself directs Israeli soldiers where and what to fire at.

TrippyFocus,

Biden has pushed funding and weapons to the Israeli military despite clear evidence they will be used for the genocide of Palestinians. So yes he is responsible.

teodor_from_achewood,

This is an oddly slow genocide.

TrippyFocus,
ShittyBeatlesFCPres,

Not really. The Great Famine that the British forced on Ireland took 7 years. The Holodomor took multiple years. Even The Holocaust went on for years and that was industrialized genocide and not a deliberate famine. Not all genocides are quick.

teodor_from_achewood,

Oh ok, so when third parties were trying to negotiate the ends to the Holodomor, Holocaust, and potato famine were those people trying to end those guilty of genocide?

ShittyBeatlesFCPres,

We’re probably never going to be able to see eye-to-eye on this since you clearly see the war as the Jewish people vs. the Palestinian people. Meanwhile, I see it is as two groups of right wing fanatics fighting each other while civilians are caught in the crossfire, at best. But to me, it looks a lot more like they’re deliberately being starved, slaughtered, and/or held hostage.

Maybe someone else on here has the time to debate a sea lion if you want to post more but it’s Taco Tuesday and I have important taco-related business to attend to.

teodor_from_achewood,

I see the conflict as Hamas wanting to kill as many Jewish people as possible, since Hamas has said so, multiple times.

Hamas should surrender.

Bartsbigbugbag,

**16. **Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.

teodor_from_achewood,

Ghazi Hamad, a member of Hamas’s political bureau, says in an interview with a Lebanese TV channel that the terror group will repeat the October 7 attack time and again until Israel is annihilated.

reddwarf,
@reddwarf@feddit.nl avatar

“Hamas should surrender”
And I guess until they do, Israel will continue to kill children? I mean, if the baddies are hiding behind children you are fully allowed to bomb them into a red mist. Just say they were hamas and you are good to shoot and bomb them. It’s only just because, you know, hamas!

Israel has lost all morality and has become which they suffered so much under.

teodor_from_achewood,

Oh so just because Hamas began hiding behind civilians after 10/7 they should get away with what they did on 10/7.

reddwarf,
@reddwarf@feddit.nl avatar

You are implying, or outright saying it, that it is OK to bomb children. You support that because, what else can Israel do? Right? How about: don’t bomb your way through children

Discussing the morality of hiding behind children is another one all together. I (almost) cannot believe you hold this opinion. Turning 5 year olds into a red mist of blood because…reasons. You want it justified, you want Israel to be able to kill little children.

No need to reply, you are a despicable person holding these opinions.

teodor_from_achewood,

I don’t want anyone to die.

I also want Hamas to be held accountable.

I also - now, try to follow along here - don’t personally command the Israeli army.

This might shock you but I’m not pointing at things telling them where to shoot or bomb.

This is going to also be a pretty big shock to you, but, bear with me.

If Hamas surrenders right now then this conflict ends.

If Hamas didn’t attack on 10/7 then this conflict wouldn’t be ongoing.

Once this conflict is over there will be millions of Palestinians living in and around the region.

Oh also one other thing - you’re fine with mass murder and carnage, as long as it’s against Israelis. That’s what you’re saying when you don’t say Hamas should surrender.

reddwarf,
@reddwarf@feddit.nl avatar

You are so, so wrong here. These children are not hamas, yet you equate them nonetheless. Notice how I did not take a side other then the children’s side. And yet, you argue.

This tells me all I need to know, I have seen your stance already. Not because I want to see something, it’s your arguing the matter that tells all I need to know.

“Oh also one other thing - you’re fine with mass murder and carnage, as long as it’s against Israelis. That’s what you’re saying when you don’t say Hamas should surrender.” And there it is, took you long enough. None said any such thing, you are making this up and you know it. Next up: calling me an anti-semite…

All I did was argue to not kill children and you argued and keep arguing it is an option, a valid option at that. See, if only hamas surrenders right now then all will be fine. This is a lie, a way to justify the killing of children. Well, you argue this point while you know the little children have no say in this at all. So instead of making the correct moral decision to not kill children, Israel chooses to do so anyway, knowing fully well that the kids have no say in the matter.

You keep being despicable and it just gets worse with each post.

It’s OK to hold Israel to account for killing innocent people, it is OK to ask Israel to stop bombing little kids. You will not loose anything of value of you are opposed on these stances. Be good, take the moral path. This is a softball position to hold and yet…you fail at it.

teodor_from_achewood,

Does Hamas want the killing to stop?

reddwarf,
@reddwarf@feddit.nl avatar

Does it matter, at all?

See, you still want to couple hamas and the allowance to kill children. I purposefully decoupled them because I know what will happen, bizarre discussions where “he said she said” will be abound.

No, there is no story or excuse to kill children. It is that simple. I am at a loss that this is not understood or agreed upon.

teodor_from_achewood,

Does Hamas want the violence to stop?

reddwarf,
@reddwarf@feddit.nl avatar

Are the children hamas? Do they have a say in this?

Insane that you keep pushing the hamas narative where these kids have no blame or influence over them being bombed. Yet you keep equating the existence or actions of of hamas with it being OK to kill little kids.

teodor_from_achewood,

Oh so if Hamas doesn’t want kids to be bombed why didn’t Hamas ever build bomb shelters?

reddwarf,
@reddwarf@feddit.nl avatar

Wow, are you really this thick or are you putting on a show?

Read carefully, you have been told this before but it doesn’t register it seems:

hamas is irrelevant to the position of israel killing kids.

Israel killing kids is solely and purely the responsibility of Israel the moment they pull the trigger or drop bombs on them.

Why is it so so so difficult for you to understand this simple statement: you do not bomb your way through kids to get at your target.

You know, this insistent clowning around this morally simple topic of you is starting to make me think you are a troll Denying reality and relishing in the pain and hurt of others. Little kids in this case seems to be your…niche? Or is it a fetish? Either way, something is really wrong with you.

FYI, I will now block you as I have no interest debating or discussing with people who find justice and reason in infanticide.

Jagger2097,

The Irish famously didn’t hold a grudge against the English

OccamsTeapot,

Is there a minimum “rate” for a genocide, then?

DragonTypeWyvern,

Wait until you hear how long Manifest Destiny took

teodor_from_achewood,

Does Hamas want the violence to end?

DragonTypeWyvern,

Why didn’t the Sioux just run away!!!

Checkmate, libruls

SquishyPandaDev,
@SquishyPandaDev@yiffit.net avatar

No he just arms them, no questions asked

Deceptichum,
@Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works avatar

No, I talk as if Biden has time and time again defended and supplied Israel.

Biden is the biggest enabler in the world of what Israel is doing.

teodor_from_achewood,

Biden’s enabling it? That’s the only reason why there’s violence?

jonne,

Yes, both Carter and Reagan picked up the phone, told Israel they wouldn’t get any weapons and they immediately backed down. That’s the leverage the US has over them, and it can be used any time.

teodor_from_achewood,

That’s a very naive way of looking at it.

jonne,

Maybe we can use some of the naivité both those Presidents had.

Enlighten me, why is it harder to do the same this time? Is Netanyahu going to get weapons from the Russians?

goferking0,

He’d definitely try. Although it’s not necessarily our weapons that are the import part. Mostly how we (USA) does cover and is the silent protection against any western powers doing anything

jonne,

And Russia has tons to spare, obviously, Iran is going to continue supplying drones to help them in Ukraine as well. /s

And as for the western countries, the only thing that is keeping those weapons flowing is US pressure. If the US stops, they’ll stop.

goferking0,

Biden also fucked over Obama and Hillary when trying to put pressure on Israel, so it’s not even a recent thing for biden to be just ensuring they get weapons

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Biden isn’t running he’s just keeping Trumps seat warm.

TokenBoomer,

Biden is vying for the popular vote now, he’s lost the electoral college. (IMHO)

ralphio, to world in Red Crescent Refutes State Department, Says Israel Never Reached Out About Hind Rajab’s Death

Asked about those findings on Monday, Miller noted that Israel said there were no tanks in the area, and that the State Department couldn’t attest to any particularities because it is only conveying what Israel has said.

The Washington Post previously confirmed there were armed military vehicles in the vicinity, as did Al Jazeera’s analysis of satellite imagery.

Most expansive intelligence apparatus on the globe, but they just can’t figure out what’s going on in Gaza.

girlfreddy,
@girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

Because BiBi WoUlD nEvEr LiE tO aMeRiCa.

iuhsmklr8l,

Shut up you are truly an idiot

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Genocide Joe and the state department are on that CCP grind.

“No that never happened. Israel said so. Yes we have seen your evidence but israel denies those claim so it never happened. There is no Genocide in Ba Sing Se”.

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