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spujb,

ghoti my love

SexualPolytope,
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Fun fact: Ghoti is a (sort of) derogatory term for people with ancestry from West Bengal (a state in India) used by people with ancestry from Bangladesh. (Sort of, because no one really considers it offensive. The modern use is usually limited to signifying cultural differences.)

disguy_ovahea,

English is weird. It can be understood through tough thorough thought, though.

samus12345,
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How many ways can “ough” be pronounced in English?

through - oo

tough - uff

though - oh

thought - ah

cough - off

bough - ow

Any others?

Zagorath,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

thought - ah

?

thought - or; if you pronounce it the UK/Aus/NZ way

thought - o; if you pronounce it with a general American accent

As for others:

  • thorough - uh (schwa)
  • hiccough - up
samus12345,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

I’m referring to American English specifically. “o” would make me think it’s pronounced “thoat”, but it’s the sound I meant.

“thorough” rhymes with “oh” in Standard American English.

“Hiccough” is a good one. I always hated that spelling and prefer “hiccup” for that reason.

Zagorath,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

Yeah o on its own is definitely unclear. I meant o as in “cot”. (As in the American cot-caught merger.)

I feel “ah” would be a better shorthand for the vowel in “palm” or “bra”, or “car” in non-rhotic accents.

zarkanian,
@zarkanian@sh.itjust.works avatar

“Hiccough” is a good one. I always hated that spelling and prefer “hiccup” for that reason.

TIL those are both pronounced the same way. (Gaol/jail is worse, though.)

gramathy,

Would phoneticizing it as “aw” help? American English pronounces “thought” as if you added a t to ‘thaw’

Saying it’s “o” makes it sound like you mean it to be pronounced “oh”

Zagorath,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

As far as Latin alphabet approximates, I’d say “aw” is pretty perfect. Because I think most accents will pronounce “thought” as if you add a t to “thaw”. It’s just that what that means in terms of the actual articulation varies a lot.

So, Americans with the cot-caught merger will pronounce it with the “cot” vowel, which is what I was trying to get across. UK/Aus/NZ don’t all pronounce it the same as each other, but do for the most part pronounce it with the same vowel as they would use for the word “or”. And “thaw”, in our non-rhotic accents, is the same as Thor.

So “aw” works either way. Nice find!

Skua,

A very relevant poem, The Chaos by Dutch writer Gerard Nolst Trenité https://ncf.idallen.com/english.html

zarkanian,
@zarkanian@sh.itjust.works avatar

Yes, English is weird, but this word still breaks rules. “Gh” (pronounced “f”) is never at the beginning of a word, and “ti” (pronounced “sh”) is never at the end.

disguy_ovahea,

Oh, you’re absolutely correct. I think it’s just meant to poke fun at the complexity of the language.

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