First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with… the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom…
Martin Luther King Jr.
“Dissent is essential for democracy,” Biden said at the White House. “But dissent must never lead to disorder.”
He largely sidestepped protesters’ demands, which have included ending U.S. support for Israeli military operations. Asked after his remarks whether the demonstrations would prompt him to consider changing course, Biden responded with a simple “no.”
I’m sure college-age voters are going to love that…
“Hey, do you care about what young voters want?” “No.”
I’ve been thinking of how we could revive the “Hey, Hey LBJ, how many kids did you kill today” chant but with Biden, and your comment reminded me to think more on it.
Unsubstantiated name calling. There is no sufficient evidence to support the label you’re attributing to the person. It is opinionated and name calling.
They’re not insulting or demeaning labels, they’re facts. Donald Trump is a felon. Joe Biden is complicit in authoritarian war crimes and genocide, and is quashing public dissent with state force. You know, like a fascist.
What’s disturbing, and definitely not nice, is having staff here defend these people from criticism. Slaughtering children isn’t nice. Calling it out is.
These are public figures who directly engage in hurting others as a matter of course.
To clarify as another Beehaw user, are “fascist” and “felon” in fact being objected to here, or only the use of “fuck” as a noun/name?
I easily understand the latter as name-calling, as it’s purely an invective, but the former 2 don’t make sense to me as being violations of Bee Nice.
That seems to be veering into the realm of toxic positivity, if we can’t call a person doing fascistic things a fascist, or a person doing felonious things a felon.
I want to be clear that I am being completely sincere when I ask, does this mean that saying “Joe Biden is acting like a fascist autocrat”, is ok, but applying it as a title, as in “Joe Biden the Fascist Autocrat” is not?
If so, I will hew to that distinction, but I want to be perfectly clear about the actual expectations; if the former is also an issue, I would like to know that now.
I understand that the Spirit of the Rules is meant to avoid generally drawing these kind of hard lines, because that allows bad-actors to attack community members and at-risk groups by toeing the line of rules, but Joe Biden is neither a community member nor part of an at-risk group, and being required to Bee Nice to Joe Biden as though he were (going off of a Spirit of the Rules interpretation), feels uncomfortably close to not being allowed to criticize the arguably single most powerful and advantaged person in the world (especially since he is currently being criticized for the harm he’s doing to at-risk groups).
…does this mean that saying “Joe Biden is acting like a fascist autocrat”, is ok, but applying it as a title, as in “Joe Biden the Fascist Autocrat” is not?
In my opinion, yes. However, this is something that I would want to discuss with the other administrators/moderators in order to reach a conclusion.
You could’ve made an argument that the “fuck” part of “fascist fuck” was name calling and uncalled for… But your doubling down on the “fascist” part isn’t “be(e)-ing nice”, it is using a bully pulpit to push your own views and opinions.
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