Michal,

I’d like to see a game of cat and mouse until Apple fucks up and breaks their own imessage app

onlinepersona,

If Bleeper were opensource, I imagine there’d be more contributors willing to reverse engineer iMessage.

spikespaz,

I thought it was. What a missed opportunity.

delmain,

Then they’d have a harder time charging $2/month for it.

fixmycode, (edited )
@fixmycode@feddit.cl avatar

github.com/mautrix/imessagegithub.com/beeper/barcelonathese are the core processes used to connect to the iMessage service

jaschen,

Fucking apple and it’s greedy service.

Quexotic,

At this point it’s not even just that, it’s actually very petty and childish.

Pratai,

As they should.

allywilson,

Why? As the article states this actually lessens security for everyone (including iPhone users).

Pratai, (edited )

Imagine that! The founder of the company that was denied access to Apple for creating an app that essentially copped an app that is part of their proprietary OS, says it would have increased their security!

Well gosh!!! let them in then!

allywilson,

This is nothing to do with the OS.

He has a point though, you haven’t refuted that.

Pratai,

iMessages is part of iOS. How is this not common knowledge?

allywilson,

Because you’re confusing the difference between an OS, an application and a protocol.

Pratai,

I didn’t say it WAS the OS, I said it is part of it. Stop arguing semantics. We’re done here.

allywilson,

creating an app that essentially copped their proprietary OS

The OS hasn’t been ‘copped’. They emulated the protocol, and your lack of understanding and confusing the two has led us to having this conversation.

FZDC,

Stop arguing semantics. We’re done here.

Compare to Lewis Carroll’s Through the Looking Glass:

“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean – neither more nor less.” “The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.” “The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master——that’s all.

Yeah, if you want to make up your own definitions to the words you use, and then order those around you to stop arguing semantics, then you’re basically not having a conversation at all.

Your comment was confusing because you don’t seem to understand what is or isn’t part of an operating system, and the mere mention of the operating system was pretty far removed from any relevance to your own point.

It’s a proprietary service, and if you want to argue that companies can run proprietary services in a closed manner, denying access to third party clients, cool, that can be your position, but it would be an incoherent position to claim that only OS developers should have that right.

Pratai,

and if you want to argue that companies can run proprietary services in a closed manner, denying access to third party clients, cool, that can be your position

Can it really? Cool! Thanks! That’s my position then.

detalferous,

I don’t really understand your argument.

Pratai,

Okay.

shreddy_scientist,
@shreddy_scientist@lemmy.ml avatar

With the original Beeper app you made an Apple ID through Apples website to use for setting up iMessage. This does require folks having the email in order to use iMessage, so definetly worth setting up an alias. It still works, while Beeper Mini doesn’t apparently.

Pons_Aelius,

It still works

Yes and allowing beeper to MaInTheMiddle your messages does not present any security issues at all.

floridaman,

Their Matrix bridge is open source, and (at least they claim) everything is E2E encrypted. I love Beeper, and as unstable of a service as it is, it’s still really great and I fully trust it with my messages. Waited 2 years for this service and I’m gonna use it lol.

vfosnar,
@vfosnar@beehaw.org avatar

It is end to bridge encrypted. I trust them too but I still prefer to self-host this stuff.

www.beeper.com/faq#how-does-beeper-connect-to-enc…

noodlejetski,

everything is E2E encrypted

not really. an E2E encrypted message is decrypted on their server, and then reencrypted before they sent it to the recipient.

Stillhart,

I am Jack’s COMPLETE lack of surprise.

Powderhorn,
@Powderhorn@beehaw.org avatar

I think I need a macro for that.

Quexotic,

Right? I tried it out with a friend of mine that has an Apple device, I have Android, and we were joking about Apple shutting it down within a few days. Lo and behold it took only 3 days.

I_am_10_squirrels,

This was predicted on the post about Beeper

admin,
@admin@beehaw.org avatar

I’m just curious as to what Beeper’s response will be.

MostlyBlindGamer,
@MostlyBlindGamer@rblind.com avatar

Something something monopoly, something something gatekeepers. They don’t need a war chest big enough to sue Apple, they just need to convince the EU to do it. I’m sure they saw this coming from the start.

progandy,

Apple will respond with something something RCS coming soon I guess.

MostlyBlindGamer,
@MostlyBlindGamer@rblind.com avatar

No doubt, but MagSafe turning into the Qi 2 standard is… interesting. It may or may not be part of a broader shift.

sanzky,

The status of Apple as gatekeeper in the messaging app ecosystem is not yet clear. Remember that iMessages is not really popular in Europe, and Europe wont name Apple as a gatekeeper because of imessage’s popularity in the U.S. The EU does seem to be inclined to define them as gatekeeper, but that is not yet final. and if Apple implements RCS that might get them out of the hook. see section 5.4 of this document ec.europa.eu/competition/…/DMA_100013_215.pdf

MostlyBlindGamer,
@MostlyBlindGamer@rblind.com avatar

You were absolutely right! It’s been a while, huh? WhatsApp and Facebook Messenger are gatekeepers and WhatsApp is supposed to open up based on the Signal Protocol. I guess we’re settling on that.

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