Okay…but could Vatican City help the situation by opening its doors to Migrants from Mexico? Are they able to house them, provide them food and water, provide them medical care, provide them child care and education for their unvaccinated children, and promise them jobs to sustain themselves long-term? Can they justify raising the taxes on the working class of their own people to pay for these migrants? They’ll probably need to raise taxes on big businesses. This will probably result in big business raising their prices to recoup their losses from paying higher taxes. They probably won’t be able to take it out of other areas, because minimum wage is always increasing as cost of production often increases, too, for most companies. Then those companies will be selling overpriced products to the inhabitants of that country, with people about to riot over how expensive everything has become; especially food, for example. Some might say it’s not that big of a deal, but the money to support a new, huge, group of people has to come from somewhere. Does Italy have the money to fund all of that?
Some of our nation’s homeless might have better treatment if they crossed the border to Mexico and then turned around, and crossed it again, as a migrant.
Instead of encouraging so many people to run from a country that can’t protect its people, or provide for them, why can’t other nations take a stand against that country’s government and intervene? It’s going to cause civil unrest to push a huge group of people from one country into another, where the language and culture are different. Avoid all of that, have America, and other nations intervene to improve Mexico so people won’t be risking their lives to cross the border, and causing mass outrage here, in America.
Vatican City is 109 acres, and your genius idea is to ship thousands of Central American refugees over there, seemingly as punishment for the Pope calling us out on failing our responsibility to help these people.
I’m actually a democrat. I would just like to see solutions presented in political discussion rather than constant criticism. It leads nowhere to just turn the spotlight on those who want to give their criticisms. I want solutions. The same problems from migrants, to Gaza, have been floating around the political toilet bowl for decades and every so often someone famous throws in their two cents and receives a pat on the back for criticizing the way things are. Yes, things are bad. Now less talk, more action. Fix it.
So when the Red Cross creates shelters for hurricane victims in the Southern and Eastern States, do you call them traffickers, and fascists? Sometimes people deserve to have a safer option on where they live.
Also, cussing out an internet stranger and calling her a fascist makes you look unstable.
Amazing that you think creating shelters for Americans displaced by natural disaster is in any way comparable to forcibly deporting asylum seekers to Europe because the Pope called us out.
Disaster relief isn’t human trafficking, obviously. Trafficking asylum seekers to another continent absolutely is.
People are coming to our country begging for help, and your solution is to kick them out and ship them thousands of miles away. If you take offense to being called a fascist, consider not being one.
No, that isn’t my solution. I never said they would be shipped. They aren’t being shipped to America. They have seen an opportunity and have migrated here themselves. If Italy offered an opportunity, then they would probably migrate there, as well. They wouldn’t dare stow away on a boat to mainland China and demand that their country care for them, and provide for them. Many countries have laws against illegal immigration. America does, too, but no one respects the laws in America. Everyone picks and chooses which laws they want to demand be enforced and they want herd immunity for the ones they break. Migrants could cross the border with a passport and ask for asylum. That wouldn’t be illegal immigration.
They have seen an opportunity and have migrated here themselves. If Italy offered an opportunity, then they would probably migrate there, as well.
We were talking about Vatican City, not Italy. They are different countries (regardless of what you may think). Italy is 116,631 square miles. Vatican City is 0.17 square miles (686,064x smaller).
These migrants are so destitute that they are fighting malnutrition and exhaustion to trek on foot across Central America and Mexico to the US southern border. You really think they’re apt to buy plane tickets to Europe? What are you fucking smoking?
America has laws against illegal immigration, but no one respects the laws in America.
Seeking asylum isn’t illegal immigration. Turning asylum seekers away is against international law.
Everyone picks and chooses which laws they want to demand be enforced and they want herd immunity for the ones they break.
No clue what you mean by “herd immunity” (a medical term), but “choosing which laws are enforced” has a name: it’s called “Democracy”. It’s pretty cool, you should read about it sometime.
Migrants could cross the boarder (sic) with a passport and ask for asylum. That wouldn’t be illegal immigration.
That is literally what they are doing, maybe minus the passport part, but you don’t need one to seek asylum. Requiring one, as mentioned before, would be a violation of international law.
Honestly, you really need to better understand what you are talking about before speaking further on any of this. You don’t seem to know the difference between immigration and asylum seeking, and you characterize these migrants as being “Mexican”, when the vast majority are from Central America. You don’t know the difference between the European countries you think should help us shoulder the burden of helping refugees from countries that WE DESTABILIZED! Fuck, you can’t even spell the word “border” (a common trait amongst racist anti-immigration folks - ignorance was never a big fan of proper spelling).
You just seem to have a hateful opinion of the Latin American refugees that ask us for help, and want to brainstorm ways to keep them out of the country…
Hey, look an unhinged Lemmy reader who is taking his anger out on me for having an opinion. If you treat people like this when you aren’t hiding behind a screen, I hope someone uses screenshots of your responses to help you find the anger management you seem to need.
I happen to know quite a bit about asylum seeking. I have sought asylum in Ireland in the past. Doing so required a passport. It also requires being fingerprinted because you ARE technically breaking the law. You’re required to overstay your passport limits while the application is being processed. I am guessing you have never applied for asylum in a foreign country.
When Americans are upset over UNDOCUMENTED migrants, they are referring to people who are crossing the border illegally, without a passport. Entering the United States as a non-citizen, without a passport IS a crime.
My apologies for making a typo, but if that typo bothers you, how are you going to handle a group of migrants who can’t write the English language? You don’t seem like a patient and understanding person. I hope these migrants aren’t forced to take up residence near you.
You did a lot more than “have an opinion”, you spewed xenophobic ignorance and can’t handle being corrected on the many, many ways that you are wrong. Don’t stoop to the right wing “my right to an opinion” bullshit. Your opinion is hateful and ignorant, and nobody owes you any respect for holding it.
I happen to know quite a bit about asylum seeking.
You very clearly do not. Allow me to illustrate that for you.
I have sought asylum in Ireland in the past. Doing so required a passport.
Relevant quote from source article: “Ireland’s legal obligation to process asylum applications includes those made by people who arrive with no passport.”
It also requires being fingerprinted because you ARE technically breaking the law.
Relevant quote from source article (IE): “In Ireland, the asylum process is a legal system which decides who qualifies as a refugee and who is then entitled to remain in Ireland and under its protection.”
Relevant quote from source article (USA): “Yes, seeking asylum is legal. Asylum seekers must be in the U.S. or at a port of entry (an airport or an official land crossing) to request the opportunity to apply for asylum.”
When Americans are upset over UNDOCUMENTED migrants, they are referring to people who are crossing the border illegally, without a passport. Entering the United States as a non-citizen, without a passport IS a crime.
No. See previous two rebuttals.
how are you going to handle a group of migrants who can’t write the English language.
Ah, there’s the racism I’ve been expecting. I knew it was in you somewhere, just waiting to ooze out.
It’s crazy how every country and Earth is allowed to have immigration laws and policies in place, except the US…for some reason, it’s so controversial.
Most of the world is wide open my dude. You fill out the paperwork and register in the right places and you’re set. The US treats it like a mixture of war and prison.
Because most countries are not like the US. The US is one of the most sought after countries in the world to live in, while also being one of the most hated by countries all over the world. My safety is important, I don’t want some dude to just come in and decide to blow himself up in the middle of LA.
They probably are but at some point we (1st world) will have to literally wall off from climate immigrants a la trump or collapse
Considering we are built on suffering of many (mines,nestle,clothes,electronics) it won’t change much ethically. It’s like a next logical step
Here in EU we solve it by opposing naciopopulists and saying: “yes we need walls but our walls are better, civilised walls, good guys walls, morally better”
It’s just that the whole thing is so long gone that even the semi left prodemocratic majority is openly saying we won’t let them in otherwise they would lose a good chunk of voters I guess
r/Europe is like as anti immigrant as you can be without being racist and that’s pretty good gauge on the ppl moods
I despise a lot about religion but I have enjoyed seeing the Catholic Church slowly become a bit more accepting of humanity’s nature by being more inclusive with the LGBT population and now seeing this. It gives me hope that religion is capable of growing alongside people and adapting to something better than it is has been and is.
I support religion as long as it gives people a sense of community, hope, and strength. When it starts taking things away, being oppressive, and not holding its officiants accountable for wrong doing, it’s wrong.
I support religion as long as it gives people a sense of community, hope, and strength.
I used to feel this way. Then 2020 happened and I realized just how damaging any degree of magical thinking and faith based reasoning was for a society.
I no longer think there’s an innocuous amount of irrationality. Just varying degrees of social harm that come with any of it.
If it’s personal don’t answer, but are you going to dump the theology studies? I am a bit curious, since when I lost my faith I lost my interest in doing academic work on theology.
If you do please publish your stuff on the Gospel of Thomas first.
It’s weird to see the traditional roles getting reversed here
Where the established order would usually represent the conservative side of the schism, here the conservatives are the schismatics with official doctrine, to the degree of even rejecting official decrees where it suits them or even if it really doesn’t just because they hate modernity (see the weirdos still using latin despite not understanding it at all)
Yeah, because they aren’t actually conservative. They’re regressive, if anything.
For these guys, if the Pope disagrees with them, then they’ll reject the Pope. Most of them probably already identify as Christian, not Catholic, anyway. (They probably wouldn’t say Protestant, if they were more specific it would probably be because they were Baptists or something.)
It happens in Catholicism sometimes because liberal Catholics just ignore shit and get ignored until they start leaving. The church has understood this since the Protestant reformation.
American catholics have long disfavored papal influence so this isn’t likely to change any minds. Additionally, while the pope is mostly a piece of shit, this is a nice move - so it’s broken clock time.
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