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Protest is not meant to be peaceful. You’re thinking of a demonstration

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Seems like solid advice, thanks!

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I’m Gen X too, and I feel the same!

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Last time I posted this, people were calling me a fascist and supporter of “mob justice” because apparently fascism is when you force racists and homophobes to get off the train using group pressure. I’m not afraid of people like that, and I speak up when I see it.

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It’s not like I have a clear grasp either, and anyone who says they do is being either arrogant or dishonest.

But one thing that comes to mind is diffuse sanctions. Scroll down to the secion on “decisions” – it’s a pretty easy read imo, with lots of examples – also, I’m just posting this to try to be helpful, not to argue – peace <3

Also, keep in mind that many of the societal problems we experience may not always be caused by the state and hierarchies, but are certainly greatly exacerbated by them. There will always be those few that seek to cause harm however, and that’s why it’s important to keep in mind that you can’t just let someone like an ax murderer, neoliberal, or others who seek to cause harm and oppress others, continue to do so. There will always be those few who need experience community pushback or even exile. But I think that’s something that would happen very rarely, once you’ve esablished an equitable community based on principles such as horizontality and mutual aid.

I’m trying to parse my own thoughts though, so this is just my thinking so far. There are so many different anarchist theories, that it’s hard to be dogmatic about one or another, and probably counter-productive to try.

But back to my meme: Experiencing this at least gives me hope that perhaps given the right circumstances, most people are willing to step up and do the right thing. And like I said, this wasn’t just a one-off, but something I’ve seen happen repeatedly. To be specific, I’ve seen it happen most often on the light rail between Lake Street and Downtown in Minneapolis.

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You’re god damn right!

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The meme is talking about forcing bigots off the bus. This is the opposite of what the meme is about lol

So to answer your question: Of course not

“bUt ThAt’S wHaT yOuRe SaYiNg ThAt MoB jUsTiCe Is GoOd”

Nope, not saying that at all. I’m saying we need to use direct action against bigotry and other forms of injustice. What we don’t need to do is create new injustices.

This is literally “punching Nazis is bad” logic. “Logic.”

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reported

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This is not my message. This is a very ungracious and bad-faith reading of my meme, and it’s not at all the situation I’ve described. The situation in question involves people who seek to cause harm.

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Ah yes, calling the police always works out well for everyone

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Then I’ll die trying.

But once again, that’s not what this is about.

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Thank you. You are so much more articulate than I am! From my pov, I’d compare it to protest. The act of protest is itself neutral. If a group protests in favor of a white nationalist ethnostate, then I think you’d agree that would be bad; but if a group protests seeking justice and equity, we’d consider that good, and rightfully so.

If I made a post supporting a BLM or anti-ICE protest, I doubt anyone would claim that I then must open the doors to a white nationalist protest and tolerate it.

Same with this – if people are taking action against hate, then I support that. This does not mean that we should support or tolerate oppression of marginalized groups, in fact it hurts my head trying to think of why anyone would have such a reaction – except I suppose we are quite heavily propagandized to believe that agencies like the police are the “good guys.”

And yeah, when I’ve seen this happen, it’s always been for the good. In my experience, most people will do the right thing when they witness an injustice.

Also, I like what you said about anarchism and democracy. In fact, I often think anarchism is the most democratic system, in many ways. And in my experience, it’s even preferable to democracy in that anarchist communities tend to find ways to prevent a tyranny of the majority. For instance, it would not be acceptable to anarchists to imprison and deport immigrants, even if a majority agreed that we should.

I have a hard time expressing myself, and I often think I’m going to be understood, only to get so much backlash. Communicating online really sucks donkey ass, because everyone anticipates that I’m here to cause harm.

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Why don’t you go stand up for bigots and creeps somewhere else

Also, you’re breaking your instance’s code of conduct. I haven’t attacked you.

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No, it doesn’t.

Imagine if I post a picture of a BLM protest, saying I support it, and you reply by telling me if I support this protest, then I must also support white nationalist protests as well.

That’s what you’re doing here, and it’s quite baffling that you can’t seem to grasp this.

I believe in taking direct action against things that are harmful and oppressive, such as bigots. That’s … not really a controversial statement to make. It’s like saying we should punch Nazis. “Aha but now you need to punch everyone!” Uhhh … no. This leap you’ve made is quite irreconcilable with what I’ve communicated in my post and comments. It has some real “all lives matter” energy.

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It literally does not though. You are incorrect about all of this! I clearly said that this action I’m describing is against bigots. You’re leaning on some “all lives matter” logic here.

If I say punching Nazis is good, then you’d respond by saying I have to punch everyone, which is patently absurd. But clearly you need time to process why.

In the meantime, I intend to continue to stand up for justice and equity, whether you like it or not. As someone who grew up gay in a very hostile community, I feel assured that I’m doing the right thing, because my ass has been saved firsthand by people who aren’t status quo-defending cowards.

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Hot take: Oppression and bigotry = bad

Since “mob rule” is a gross misrepresentation of what I’m talking about, I’ve nothing to say in response

You are an impolite, uncivil status quo defending troll who followed me to this instance after I migrated here with the express goal of escaping this type of unprovoked negativity and harassment

You are welcome to reread my post and comments. They’re easily understood.

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Uncivil personal attack. Reported.

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I don’t believe in mob justice though. That’s a gross and deliberate mischaracterization of my post.

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I didn’t call you a coward. I said the people who stood up for me aren’t cowards.

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I never had money for cocaine or stocks.

I’m Gen X and I’ve always been poor.

My parents weren’t doing much better, either.

I don’t think I can ever retire. I’ll be one of those people that gets evicted from a nursing home

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I’m agreeing with this post, but I’d like to add something.

Everything else aside, do Democrats realize that it’s tacky if not straight up offensive that every time someone suggests that maybe our sitting president shouldn’t be supporting genocide, they make it about the campaign. People are being killed, tortured, raped, starved, and more – and their biggest concern is that talking about it might hurt his fucking campaign???

What. The actual. Fuck.

That’s what inspired me to post that thing yesterday, though I’m not sure the point landed.

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Not only this (but also this), but Biden is literally the sitting president. We’re supposed to be able to criticize and pressure the sitting president into doing better, and it would sure be nice if we could do so without status quo defending establishment Democrats hand waving our concerns away.

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I love your user name and your instance name lol

Fucking epic

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No it couldn’t be this. We must just be Russian bots and trolls /s

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This, and also they’ll tell us we have no choice while lauding the American “democracy,” because apparently democracy is when you’re strongarmed into voting for one shitty candidate.

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Yes, so much this! The moment Biden took office and immediately started opening more concentration camps, the Democrats were already doing this!

It’s just a tactic used to silence leftists and progressives while trying to shame us into voting for whatever ghoul they prop up for election.

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The spirit of Nike has given you a sign. Start the bidding at $5000

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Do you feel like Just Doing It™?

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May Nike bless and guide you 🙏

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A blue vote will throw less fuel on the fire than a red vote!

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This will be bad for two-day Prime delivery

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I think we would. A lot of horrible acts are committed in the interest of extending life. If we didn’t die, I feel like there might be peace.

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I kinda want to try this, but I feel like the cleanup would be awful

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You have the ability to vote for whoever you want

Oh, I do now? What are my choices? Which candidate doesn’t fund ICE, imprison refugees, and send arms to a genocidal ethnostate? I’m so relieved to know I have a choice!

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So you disagree that a vote for a third party is supporting Trump? You disagree with this statement and believe we actually have a choice?

We have a “choice” in the same way the people in Saw have a choice. Aka, we don’t, and this is not a democracy in any stretch of the term.

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Right. So fundamentally I have no choice, whether I technically do or not. My Saw comparison stands.

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Yeah because not supporting genocide and imprisoning innocent people is such a high bar for a president to clear

Fuck right off with your gaslighting

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I’m glad you like it! I edited in the shitting toothpaste back on reddit when it was the 196 trend.

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I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to ignore you.

A friend of mine who grows posted this in his discord once. I happened to think of it because of the Pokemon/weed reference in this post.

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