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enbyecho, to lemmyshitpost in Stay Mad, Tankies

Gaslight, deny, deflect. Anything to avoid facing how fucked we are.

I didn’t say were weren’t fucked to some degree of fucked. But I’m also not gonna blow it so out of proportion that I’m paralyzed and do nothing. Or worse, cry and moan and cause others to do nothing. Literally people are taking one fuck up and forgetting everything else. It’s completely buying into the false narrative pushed by the GOP and ignores all the good Biden has done and the fact that 99% of his other speeches and debates have been completely fine. Many people have been… well, played.

The only reasonable course of action at this point is to stop whining, vote for Biden, and then raise hell to demand accountability from the DNC. Make it 100% clear that we will accept nothing less than a stellar candidate in 2028. At that point the danger from Trump will have largely passed and we can move forward.

enbyecho, to lemmyshitpost in Stay Mad, Tankies

Can you help me understand what Biden meant when he shouted “We finally beat Medicare!” I found that confusing.

Have you never once in your life misspoken? Have you ever been in a super stressful situation where you knew you were being judged in every possible way by a large number of people? I confess, I have. And I have screwed up badly a number of times. Forgot what I was saying, said the wrong words… all kinds of things.

Thankfully, I was not judged on my stumbling over my words but by the substance of what I had to say and the totality of my contributions. I prefer to judge others similarly.

enbyecho, to lemmyshitpost in Stay Mad, Tankies

He fucked up. And the DNC fucked up by allowing him to run a second time (or a first, in my book). But people are human, shockingly. They do fuck up and they do say incoherent things (you’ll understand when you get older, lol) and I’d rather have someone who spews gobblygook once in a while than someone who lies incessantly and spews gobblygook all the time.

Show me an alternative. Show me a viable path forward that ensures a second Trump presidency doesn’t happen. If you haven’t got that then there’s really nothing more to discuss. We’ll all hold our noses and vote for Biden and then raise hell to get a more reasonable candidate in 2028. Because at least then there will be a 2028 election.

enbyecho, to lemmyshitpost in Stay Mad, Tankies

Criticize Biden all you want. But he’s not stepping down and there isn’t a good alternative this late in the game. The DNC fucked up by allowing him to run the first time and then again by not demanding he not seek re-election. Just like they fucked up by fucking over Sanders.

And yet… these are the cards we have and we’re not getting another hand. It sucks.

enbyecho, to lemmyshitpost in Stay Mad, Tankies

I’m curious if you are an asshole in real life or just online where it’s safe.

enbyecho, to lemmyshitpost in Stay Mad, Tankies

If he steps down Trump is going to win.

Look, this is a terrible situation and the DNC is 100% responsible for fucking this up. Biden should never have sought a second term. But this is our awful reality right now and we have to deal with it in any way -that is available to us - that prevents a Trump 2nd term.

enbyecho, to lemmyshitpost in Stay Mad, Tankies

Greetings comrade!

enbyecho, (edited ) to lemmyshitpost in Stay Mad, Tankies

Biden had more than “a bad night” the dude looks like he’s aging out of the ability to stay awake for 90 minutes at a time.

You have completely bought into the long GOP build up of a fundamental lie. Congrats I guess.

Edit: The thing that makes the false GOP narrative of Biden being senile and incapable SO effective is that it taps into your own prejudices. None of us really want a senior citizen as president and many younger folks believe older people to be incapable of anything more than watching TV and playing bingo. This is easily disproven but the prejudice remains. So when his horrible debate performance confirms your bias, well… of course you run with it and ignore all other evidence. Never mind that the very next day he did a great and highly energetic campaign rally… never mind that 99% of the time Biden has been on point, articulate and rarely fucked up more than could be explained by a life-long speech impediment. Nope, you all want to believe so much that old people have no business as president (a point with which I agree) that the standard by which you judge them is not a standard you would ever apply to yourself.

You are being played my friends.

enbyecho, to lemmyshitpost in Stay Mad, Tankies

Or have you convinced yourselves this inane rambling isn’t a real, long term issue?

Inane rambling? You are talking about Trump, right?

enbyecho, to lemmyshitpost in Stay Mad, Tankies

It’s funny how the standard by which we judge Biden is so high, and the standard for Trump is so low. Like… “oh wow, orange man form complete sentence, he’s really killin it” vs “omg Biden stumbled over his words and had one bad night, his candidacy is over”.

enbyecho, to tenforward in Well played Lower Decks

“pulsing sonic sound”

enbyecho, to politics in A Majority of Voters Backing Biden Are Mostly Motivated by Stopping Trump — Poll

Nice. I can’t even see your goal posts any more. You went from “there has been NO progress” to “well there has only been progress that matters to you”. Despite the fact that I literally pointed out instances where things have gotten better for many groups of people.

Bye now.

enbyecho, to politics in A Majority of Voters Backing Biden Are Mostly Motivated by Stopping Trump — Poll

Go on. Tell me about this incremental progress.

I can be out and not fear for my life. I can even marry. My partner now only rarely gets “gook” or “chink” yelled at them.

99.8% of the time when this stuff comes out of folks it’s because they are white and heterosexual and usually male.

For people secure in their white, hetero-normative privilege it’s understandable that they only care about things that affect them… and there isn’t all that much that affects them directly. But the truth is this is a VERY different world here in the US than when I was growing up. It’s now a world that despite the noise from the MAGA crowd I can exist comfortably and securely as opposed to having to hide in a closet.

Whenever I have this discussion with folks who aren’t gay or trans or BIPOC, it never occurs to them that there is a difference. Universally it turns out that since they aren’t affected by these huge cultural shifts, they also don’t look at the changes that make life easier for other groups. The simple fact that federal workers now have a $15 minimum wage means that a number of my peers now are not starving working for public lands agencies. That a number of labor laws have been enacted (including recently the non-compete thing) that makes discrimination against protected groups doesn’t affect people like you because you are not typically discriminated against. In some cases the pandemic relief for you folks was just a nice bonus to spend on luxuries, not groceries. The grants for schools didn’t matter because if you have kids they go to nice schools already.

I’m not going to argue with you - it’s impossible. But please understand that your incredibly narrow view of the world is not shared by those who have experienced this seismic shift over the last 2-3 decades.

enbyecho, to politics in A Majority of Voters Backing Biden Are Mostly Motivated by Stopping Trump — Poll

That’s what the party did with the public option and increasing the minimum wage.

So because you didn’t get everything you want you are just gonna stamp your feet, take you ball and go home?

enbyecho, to politics in A Majority of Voters Backing Biden Are Mostly Motivated by Stopping Trump — Poll

Where is all this “incremental progress” you centerists always talk about? Is it in the room with us now?

Undoubtedly you have the privilege not to notice it.

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