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nondescripthandle, (edited ) to politics in Supreme Court allows camping bans targeting homeless encampments

Guess we’re about to find out what happens when you take 600,000 economically disparaged people and temporarily lock them up in an understaffed for profit penal institution that is currently in the middle of historically low classes of recruits. Im sure this will make everyone involved a better person.

SkybreakerEngineer,

A crime wave they can blame on democrats?

Phegan,

Slavery 2.0

rand_alpha19, to politics in Supreme Court allows camping bans targeting homeless encampments

SCOTUS: "Good news, everyone! We figured out how to keep up the prison population amid record low crime rates so you won't have to pay minimum wage, isn't that great?"

UpperBroccoli, to politics in Supreme Court allows camping bans targeting homeless encampments

Judge a society by how it treats its weakest members. And judge hard.

Tolookah,

Yes, I’m sure some of those judges are hard right now

nondescripthandle,

I know I should be used to it by now but it shocks me that there are likely millions of christian conservatives who would yell at you for this, even though this sentiment is literally echoed exactly by Jesus.

And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’

That verse swings both ways. God isn’t counting all your good deeds for the ‘least of my brothers’, but none of your transgressions against them.

Catoblepas,

Conservative (and let’s be real, also neoliberal) Christians hate that verse. There are so few places in the NT where Jesus explicitly says “you will go to hell for this,” and that’s one of them. They get extremely uncomfortable if you make them think about how they believe they will one day have to stand in front of God and explain why they ignored this verse.

So naturally I advocate bringing it up to them as much as possible. There actually are a lot of deeply Christian people who are disturbed by the dissonance there, and for the most part the messaging just isn’t happening. Like, what is the biggest Jesus advertisement campaign right now? Probably the Protestant Buddy Jesus “He gets us” campaign, which doesn’t really say much of anything.

Snowclone, to politics in Supreme Court allows camping bans targeting homeless encampments

What was that thing Jesus said? Do unto others?.. the greatest commandment is to love one… give all your possessions and follow… something something… the least among you… snaps fingers Hate gay people! That’s what I’m supposed to do! Control women’s medical choices, and make sure gay people have no rights. of course!

dhcmrlchtdj__, to politics in Supreme Court allows camping bans targeting homeless encampments
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FunderPants, to politics in Supreme Court allows camping bans targeting homeless encampments

So then where are people supposed to sleep when nothing else is available, how can it possibly be a crime to give yourself shelter and sleep?

negativenull,
@negativenull@lemmy.world avatar

It is now illegal to sleep while homeless

nondescripthandle,

Legally? Prison.

BrianTheeBiscuiteer,

There’s also death. Don’t forget about death.

hypnoton,

So poverty leads to slavery via the 13th amendment.

That’s dark.

I can’t believe the billionaires aren’t yet worried about their safety. This environment is the stuff of revolutions.

Rapidcreek, to politics in Supreme Court allows camping bans targeting homeless encampments

The right sure loves punching down. Just like the Bible tells us to do.

anticolonialist,

It was mostly blue states arresting and making homelessness illegal.

Plastic_Ramses,

Source please.

AngryCommieKender, (edited )

I don’t know about elsewhere, but they’ve been doing it in California for a while now.

Edit: there have been camping bans that have been passed since 2016 in various cities and towns all over California. These bans specifically targeted the homeless, and the thugs in our police departments have been using them as an excuse to steal all their property, throw it into a garbage truck, including their IDs and other personal documents. Then they ticket them, and when they can’t pay the ticket they go to jail.

Plastic_Ramses,

Ah, your source is just your precious fee fees.

Classic boomer move right there.

hypnoton,

Generally CA does not fuck with the homeless as far as I know, but there was one very obvious and glaring exception:

newsweek.com/gavin-newsom-slammed-cleaning-san-fr…

AngryCommieKender,

San Diego has also passed a camping ban and has been violently clearing homeless camps

AngryCommieKender,

In San Diego they passed a camping ban last year, I’ve been protesting it since then. The Union Tribune probably.has some news stories, but they absolutely have been doing it, and I don’t have a subscription.

Plastic_Ramses,

But is it mostly blue states?

I recognize that blue states do occasionally pass anti homeless laws.

But are mostly blue states passing anti homeless laws?

AngryCommieKender, (edited )

No clue. I have been focused on California since 2016. In my experience it is easier to enact local change, to influence state level changes, and later federal changes. I’m not really focusing on anything but my local city council meetings, and the various elections, especially judges, city council, and school board. Other than that I pay attention to my representatives / assemblymen, and senators at both the state and federal level. I do pay some attention to the presidential race, but as a leftist I have to hold my nose and vote for the milquetoast democratic candidate every single time for the last 5 presidential elections, and probably the 6th time in my life in November. Not one presidential candidate that I voted for in the primaries has ever gotten the nomination.

The case in question, namely Grant’s Pass vs Johnson, originated in an Oregon town. Another blue state.

TBH I wouldn’t be at all surprised if most of these recent laws come from Washington, California, and Oregon. They have the worst homelessness problems, and that’s partially due to the fact that all three states have historically had robust social safety nets, so it was safer to be homeless on the west coast.

anticolonialist,

Demanding sources for information that is readily available is lazy. It’s it’s filled with arrogant hubris

BrianTheeBiscuiteer,

Making factual statements that aren’t common knowledge to support a position you didn’t declare is also lazy.

anticolonialist,

Information that’s conveniently ignored doesn’t make it uncommon. States all across the country, most of them blue, have criminalized homelessness.

AdamEatsAss,

Almost every state has some form of law outlawing homelessness. homelesslaw.org/first-national-study-of-state-law…The USA is a diverse place and homelessness affects different areas differently. If we want to make homelessness a crime we need to be sure to also provide a method to grandfather in or help those who are currently homeless.

AsherahTheEnd, to lgbtq_plus in Biden pardons LGBTQ+ service members convicted for sexual orientation

Fucking depressing they were even convicted in the first place. I fucking hate this world.

tal, (edited ) to world in Sudan's raging civil war could see 2 million starve to death. Aid agency says "the world is not watching"
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

I mean, there’s no clear solution in Sudan.

Both sides have interfered with food shipments. I haven’t been reading up on this particular one, but in conflicts I’ve read about in the past in Africa, I know that seizing food has been a strategy in conflict – everyone needs food, so control of food in a region short of it is power and wealth. Black Hawk Down’s opening scene shows exactly that happening:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wYeNRzZtAA

kagis

Yeah:

aljazeera.com/…/sudan-slips-into-famine-as-warrin…

A UN source, who asked that their name be withheld due to the subject’s sensitivity, said both warring sides are posing obstacles, trying to prevent food from getting to areas controlled by their rival.

So you’ve got limited options.

One possibility is that the factions are gonna decide that this isn’t a great strategy, like, preserving the value of the civilian populace is important enough not to dick with food. But I assume that they aren’t unaware, and they’ve decided to go ahead with this. Sounds like the conflict’s got an ethnic aspect too, and if factions would rather kill off the other ethnic group rather than just making them submit, you’re probably gonna have a hard time convincing them not to do this.

This isn’t gonna be a peacekeeping mission. Those don’t deal with situations where one is in active opposition to one of the factions, but where both sides want there to not be conflict and just need a neutral party to act as enforcer of a peace agreement or something.

I don’t think that you’re going to have countries willing to enter into the civil war, force both sides to stop disrupting food.

I guess some people could flee the country, but it looks like only a small portion have so far – I’d guess that neighboring counties aren’t too happy about taking them. Looks like Egypt has the most, and it’s less than 1% of the country’s population, with Chad also being close. Sudan is super-poor; WP has them at 185 out of 194 GDP per capita, poorer than North Korea.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_of_Sudan

Egypt

Starting in the 1990s, the increase in refugees from Sudan has forced UNHCR RO Cairo to shift its focus from education and training to the care and maintenance of refugees.[12] In Cairo, the International Organization for Migration (IOM) is involved in helping process refugees for resettlement, moving refugees, and assisting with their medical examinations. IOM also conducts cultural orientation for the refugees to prepare them for resettlement in third countries.[12] The UNHCR regional office in Cairo (RO Cairo) is overextended, and after Somalis, the Sudanese (mainly southern Sudanese) represent the largest caseload.[13] A large number of Sudanese refugees in Egypt reflects the fact that many Sudanese travels to Cairo to obtain official recognition of their refugee status from the UNHCR. The Sudanese refugees in Egypt fall under two categories: those who are waiting for their status-determination interview and those who have been rejected or who are self-settled.[14] Between 60 and 70 percent of Sudanese asylum seekers have their applications for refugee status rejected.[14] Rejection and closure of a file have serious psychological and emotional implications for refugees. Many of those rejected, especially men, turn to alcoholism as a way of overcoming their problems. Others become mentally disturbed and there have been reports of suicide or attempted suicide upon receiving news of the rejection.[14] The unity of the family has been challenged by Sudanese refugees’ quest for UNHCR recognition. Women and children wait in Cairo for their UNHCR applications to go through while husbands wait in Sudan.[14] The difficulties of life in Cairo and the inability of some husbands to join their families in Egypt have forced some women refugees to abandon their husbands, remarry, and leave for resettlement.[14] In cases of rejection of a family application at the UNHCR, many men leave their wives and children and look for another single woman with UNHCR status to avoid responsibility.[14] Additionally, UNHCR RO Cairo does not recognize polygamous unions, and as such will not refer polygamists for resettlement to countries where polygamy is not permitted.[14] All of these factors have contributed to the break-up of families, divorce, and the abandonment of children. Finally, the UNHCR identity cards issued to refugees are not always recognized by the Egyptian authority. There have been situations in which people have been taken and detained for three to four days and then released, despite their UNHCR status.[14] A resident permit stamp on a valid Sudanese passport seems to offer more protection for refugees.[14]

Or one side could win and the war end, but as far as I know, that’s not expected to be imminent, and you can’t just wait years for food.

kagis

chathamhouse.org/…/sudan-collapsing-heres-how-sto…

The Sudanese civil war is brutal, devastating and shows no sign of coming to an end.

That article was from a couple months ago.

Ranger, to lgbtq_plus in Biden pardons LGBTQ+ service members convicted for sexual orientation

The fact that he waited until right before his reelection campaign to do this is fucked, there’s no reason he couldn’t have done this day one of his presidency, Obama could have done this day one of his presidency.

SpeakinTelnet,
@SpeakinTelnet@sh.itjust.works avatar

Whoever does best right before the election has better chances to be elected. We have the same issue in Canada. The prime minister of Quebec is just sending relief checks right before the elections as if it wasn’t clear voter buyout.

MindTraveller,

On the other hand, these veterans being pardoned 4 years earlier could potentially have cost Biden the election, cost America democracy, cost trans Americans their freedom, and cost West Bank Palestinians their lives. It’s a fucked up calculus but I can’t say I disagree. I blame this failure on the short memories of voters and on those who are working to make a Trump presidency happen.

Ranger,

I’m sorry, what?

slurpinderpin, to world in Sudan's raging civil war could see 2 million starve to death. Aid agency says "the world is not watching"

No college protests huh?

brttmardvo, to world in Sudan's raging civil war could see 2 million starve to death. Aid agency says "the world is not watching"

We only care about Ukraine and sometimes Palestine

Zorsith,
@Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

And South Korea and sometimes Taiwan.

ACEUSA, to politics in U.S. surgeon general declares gun violence a public health crisis

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  • BeMoreCareful, to politics in U.S. surgeon general declares gun violence a public health crisis

    I think that this might enable them to do some meaningful research into gun violence. Meaningful research that does not exist in the US in 2024 because the NRA lobbies against anyone that attempts to publish data on the subject.

    There’s a long list of public entities that are prohibited from publishing this research. Really strange in a country where guns are so available.

    uberdroog,
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    Congress stopped research for 25 years. They knew what the results would show and that is gonna make the conversation much more difficult.

    SupraMario, (edited )

    No they did not. Tons of research has come out during that time. They put a stop to funding research that held a bias. Which at the time was from the CDC wanting to make shit up to push an anti2a agenda. The head of the CDC stated during that time that they wanted to use research to prove guns are a public health crisis, no matter how the came to that conclusion. They had a ton of really flawed studies as well that were proven to be terrible studies with a major bias. In science you can’t just make studies say what you want without being criticized, and that’s what they did. It’s why the dickey amendment was passed with bipartisan support in 96.

    Edit: you can downvote me all you want, this is exactly what happened. This isn’t some fake news shit from the repubs, it’s actual history. It’s not my fault you’ve been fed a lie that the cdc was bared from studying gun violence.

    uberdroog,
    @uberdroog@lemmy.world avatar

    We were just entering the distopian gun fetish hell hole in 96. 2001 pushed us over the edge. Every chaw head feared terrorists and then faux news yelled them into being anxious over their neighbors and urban centers. Science has time and time again shown that faciests are bad and giving them guns is bad for everyone.

    SupraMario,

    The fuck are you talking about? Nothing you just rambled off makes any damn sense.

    uberdroog,
    @uberdroog@lemmy.world avatar

    Conservatives are really putting out fires.

    andrewth09, to politics in U.S. surgeon general declares gun violence a public health crisis

    I don’t see the US Surgeon General as the correct person to make meaningful changes to curve gun violence.

    I do see this as the perfect story for right-wing pundits to turn this into a “the military is gonna take your guns” dog whistle.

    nilloc,

    They’ll say the gubment is taking your guns either way, so we might as well try and fix shit anyway.

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