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jeffw, to world in The risky task of investigating corruption in wartime Ukraine

It’s been a tough conversation since the beginning of the war. The west wants to show support (as we should) but there have obviously been long-standing issues with corruption in Ukraine.

Killing_Spark, to world in Seven out of 10 Europeans believe their country takes in too many immigrants

That question is a prime example of a bad question for surveying anything. “Too many” is a relative question but it does not say what we should relate it to. I think the amount of people coming here are overwhelming our structures we have for integration. But the solution in my mind can’t be to stop people from coming here by force. Either we invest a lot more into integration so we stop being overwhelmed or we invest more into developing peace and prosperity outside of Europe. Answering this question with yes will lump me in with people saying yes because they just flat out don’t want outsiders in their country.

IcePee, to world in Seven out of 10 Europeans believe their country takes in too many immigrants

A few questions:

  • How many respondents where there?
  • What was the national break down?
  • How were the respondents selected? Was it random?
  • Were the questions phased universally across nations?

Without these questions answered, it’s hard to make out what to think about this statistic.

As the saying goes: “lies, damned lies, and statistics”.

As it is, It would have been more useful if they allowed respondents a selection of choices. Such as: Don’t Know/Care, Neutral, About Right and Not Enough.

Maybe a meta study would have made a better subject for an article.

eran_morad, to world in Seven out of 10 Europeans believe their country takes in too many immigrants

And this is why Europe faces a demographic calamity. This is also reason number 928,354,191 for the necessary marginalizing of the republican traitor filth.

sepi, to world in Seven out of 10 Europeans believe their country takes in too many immigrants

Hey, americans: when europeans pretend to be better than y'all show them this.

Stovetop,

But Europeans are better than Americans. There are so many more white people, and they’re really sorry for all the colonialism (but thank you to not ask for all the stolen artifacts back).

That’s the global measure of success, isn’t it?

Siegfried,

But europeans are objectively better from any pov

Neon, to world in Seven out of 10 Europeans believe their country takes in too many immigrants

look. you can’t write out one number and then not write out the other. you have to decide yourself. either “seven out of ten” or “7 out of 10”

hungryphrog,

fuck of zionist

Neon,

Fuck off, Terrorist

TokenBoomer, to world in Seven out of 10 Europeans believe their country takes in too many immigrants

Man, they’re really not gonna like the coming climate migration.

FenrirIII,
@FenrirIII@lemmy.world avatar

It’s going to become Children of Men violent

TokenBoomer,

Thanks for reminding me I need to watch the movie again.

CanadaPlus, to world in Seven out of 10 Europeans believe their country takes in too many immigrants

It’s a really different situation from America, where xenophobic stuff is concentrated in a very angry, specific slice of the population. It makes me wonder if the EU far-right is less emerging fascism, and more a return to East Asian-style policies, which might have been more natural all along in ancient (former and current) kingdoms.

Just a thought. I’m not even sure I believe it, let alone can prove it, so I guess as they say in Musk-land, “don’t at me”.

vodkasolution, to world in Seven out of 10 Europeans believe their country takes in too many immigrants

Italian here. It seems a very low percentage considering how big the immigration issue is perceveid on the media and in the political talks. It was also a big part of the campaign the led the right/center right to win the past elections.

3volver, to world in Seven out of 10 Europeans believe their country takes in too many immigrants

Immigration is all about cheap labor. In the US there’s a reason why so many seasonal workers come in illegally. It’s because it’s cheaper for the agricultural overlords and they make greater profits needing to pay undocumented workers less. Remember the money, it’s always about the money.

newsweek.com/nearly-half-us-farmworkers-undocumen…

The corporations want us to be xenophobic, they want us to hate “illegal aliens” for “stealing our jobs” because it allows them to continue to profit at record levels.

afraid_of_zombies,

How does convincing people to be against cheap labor help companies that want cheap labor? That’s like oil companies funding anti-oil campaigns

evranch,

They want society to oppose immigration and work visas so that these people will have to work as illegals, for lower pay and worse working conditions.

Despite all the right wing wall talk, the wealthy actually benefit from a somewhat porous border for this reason.

afraid_of_zombies,

This is a needlessly complex plan. So how exactly do “they” manage to move money from their tiny companies to Fox News?

Why can’t it just be racism btw?

3volver,

It is fueled by racism, that’s what I wrote in my original comment, the agricultural overlords want us to be xenophobic. The wealthy don’t want us to recognize the benefits of making temporary work visas easier to obtain because it would cost them more money.

afraid_of_zombies,

Ok you are making lots of claims. Could you back up any?

3volver,
afraid_of_zombies,

Yes I am well aware that there are people who benefit from illegal immigration. Now how do you establish a casual link between that and mass propaganda efforts?

cybersin, (edited )

Neither the owner, Aaron Rubashkin, nor his sons Sholom and Heshy, who were in charge of the management of Agriprocessors, were convicted of immigration or labor law violations, although both Aaron and son Sholom were initially charged with 9,311 counts of child labor law violation, for which they could have faced over 700 years in prison if found guilty. All charges against Aaron were dropped right before the trial was scheduled to begin, and after a five-week trial Sholom was acquitted on all charges of violating child labor laws.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postville_raid

Undocumented workers have no rights. If they don’t accept the bad pay and conditions offered, they get reported. The state takes the current group of “troublemakers” away and you hire fresh immigrants.

All charges being dropped against the owners of the plant just before the trial is either corruption or a plea deal. The owners very likely snitched on themselves in exchange for amnesty.

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cybersin,

Financial irregularities brought to light by the raid and subsequent investigations led to a conviction of the plant’s chief executive Sholom on bank fraud and related charges.

He was sentenced to 27 years in prison, but this led to an outcry by a bipartisan group of more than 100 former high-ranking and distinguished Department of Justice (DOJ) officials, prosecutors, judges, and legal scholars who expressed concern with the evidentiary proceedings in his case as well as with the severity of his sentence.

On December 20, 2017, then-President Donald Trump commuted his sentence to time served, and his trial on immigration charges was canceled.

Same article.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postville_raid

tearsintherain, to world in Seven out of 10 Europeans believe their country takes in too many immigrants
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Scapegoats for decades of failed neoliberal capitalism that’s led to massive inequality. Massive wealth accumulated by slivers of the populations.

assassin_aragorn, to world in Seven out of 10 Europeans believe their country takes in too many immigrants

“DeMoCraTs wOuLd Be FaR RIghT iN EUroPe”

Drusas, to world in Seven out of 10 Europeans believe their country takes in too many immigrants

Well, they better get ready for more as increasing numbers of people become climate refugees from the Middle East and global south.

jarfil, to science in The fusion of two sisters into a single woman suggests that human identity is not in our DNA

Redefining identity in terms of cell organization, would definitely solve some ethical issues like human cloning: different structures, different individuals.

Now, the remaining question would be, how to “read” the structure. We can sequence DNA from a tiny sample, but disassembling people wouldn’t be… practical.

thegr8goldfish, to science in The fusion of two sisters into a single woman suggests that human identity is not in our DNA

Further proof that Tuvix was murdered. Prosecute Admiral Jane way.

jarfil,

Tuvix was made, Tuvok and Neelix were recovered. Such are the paths of the universe, choices are just choices, right and wrong lie in the eye of the beholder.

thebes,
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@jarfil @thegr8goldfish Tuvix's case, actually in his eye.

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