wafflez,
lorkano,

Rip, in EU they cannot force targeted cookies so we can see

HATEFISH,

VPN to EU countries for all general article reading it is then. Fuck this is getting obnoxious.

echodot,

It’s the EU’s fault and their stupid ill thought out law. Even they admit that it’s bad, and it’s only made things worse.

HATEFISH,

I don’t mean the banner ads for cookies, I’m referring to sites restricting viewable content based on your selection. Which seems to be illegal in the EU.

HereIAm,

Who are these “they” that has admitted it’s a bad law?

It’s one of the best recent pieces of privacy legeslation. It’s not the EU’s fault that websites are scumbags insisting on making life difficult for people.

echodot,

Yes it is. They completely failed to specify what would constitute compliance. They were warned repeatedly about this when the law first came out.

It has good intentions behind it but the law itself doesn’t work. They haven’t reduced privacy violations at all because everyone just clicks yes because it’s so frustrating, And it isn’t against the law to implement these dark patterns so what’s the point?

woelkchen,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

The Newscast is not the images. It’s an annoying video they embed in all articles and then floats when you scroll. I actually have set an adblock rule to block that shit.

As for the images, for now hotlinking to Twitter images is possible, so:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNwD7T6WoAA2XIx?format=jpg&name=4096x4096#img.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNwD7RMXQAAuSJ_?format=jpg&name=large#img.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNwD7T2WsAA2i_i?format=jpg&name=900x900#img.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNwD7UCXgAAPMTc?format=jpg&name=4096x4096#img.jpg

jjjalljs,

Isn’t an overwatch style hero shooter just team fortress 2? Now get off my lawn, I have clouds to tell at.

Maalus,

Nah. TF2 is a shooter with 9 classes. People can double up on “soldier” for instance. A hero shooter has for one, a lot more classes / heroes (which comes from MOBAs), for two activated abilities on each hero which change the games significantly, and usually disables doubling up in competetive modes. You wouldn’t call Enemy Territory a hero shooter for instance.

spoopy,
@spoopy@lemmy.world avatar

Overwatch disabled doubling up well after launch, and only because they couldn’t or wouldn’t balance the game such that a 4 tank no DPS comp didn’t utterly cheese the game.

simple,

They brought it back as a gamemode called “open queue”, which nerfs tanks to be more in line with DPS.

Stamau123, (edited )

So I guess in the end yes, it is tf2

captain_aggravated,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

I think you can get there in TF2 when considering subclasses via weapons loadouts. Demoknight for instance is a completely different play style than normal pipe/sticky demoman.

jjjalljs,

I stand by my assessment that overwatch is essentially team fortress 2 with a limit of one player per class and fewer game modes.

I don’t know the name of the trope, but it’s like when a cover gets more popular than the original. Except the person doing the cover (blizzard) is a huge scumbag.

Maalus,

I mean, okay, people can claim that every fps is just Doom with extra steps, doesn’t make the distinction irrellevant though. Mobas are their own thing, they aren’t called RTS anymore. Same with hero shooters. Tf2 isn’t a hero shooter.

jjjalljs,

If you set the server config to limit one player per class, and set the max team size to like 8, you basically have a hero shooter. That’s not an unusual config- some servers were just like that for years.

What’s missing ? “Each class has two powers” is an extremely specific metric I don’t think is a requirement for hero shooters, and even if it was you have the unique grenades on top of the more obvious “he can build a sentry, he can turn invisible”.

You could maybe argue there aren’t enough classes, but I don’t buy that. As long as you have enough for everyone on the team to play something different, you’re good. The characters in TF2 certainly have personality.

I knew someone who got really upset when I compared overwatch to TF2, but I think it was because they were emotionally invested in overwatch and felt bad when I was like “it’s kind of like this much older game I like more”. Saying the thing they love is kind of a knockoff made them feel bad.

Anyway. To your point. I wouldn’t call tf2 a hero shooter first. It’s not the best representation of the genre, probably. But to my point, I still stand by overwatch added very little on top of TF2. Most of Blizzard’s changes were changes in minor detail. It’s basically "more classes, fewer game modes, you can’t run your own server, and we’re going to try to sell you micro transactions "

Maalus,

Just the fact that you need to go through so many mental gymnastics to prove your point shows it. Tf2 is not a hero shooter, get over it.

jjjalljs,

It’s essentially a hero shooter. You shoot. It has heroes. I don’t know what else you want.

Maalus,

Going by that definition CS is a hero shooter.

jjjalljs,

I’ve never played cs. Does it have different characters?

mlg,
@mlg@lemmy.world avatar

Heavy Update plz

Volvo I beg

pikmeir,

Medic: “Later.”

Rooskie91,

JESUS CHRIST JUST MAKE HALF LIFE 3 AND PORTAL 3 WHAT ARE YOU DOING VALVE?!?!

AceFuzzLord,

At this point, we have some absolutely impressive Portal 2 mods that, in my opinion, definitely make up for not having Portal 3. We’ve got Tag (the paint gun mod), Thinking With Portals (a short one that gives you the ability to create a clone thing that copies recorded actions), and I’ve been playing through one I just found out about called Revolution that is pretty cool so far.

I personally like to think that the fans have done a good enough job at creating mods and maps that a Portal 3 would be redundant.

Rooskie91,

Damn I didn’t know portal had a mod community like that. I’ll check it out.

Duamerthrax,

Revolution is flat out better then most AAA retail games, both in quality and length.

Portal Stories: Mel is also something to try out. There’s some small references to Mel in Revolution, but playing Mel before Revolution isn’t necessary, but recommended.

PenisWenisGenius,

But when’s Half Life 3 coming out?

PresidentCamacho,

Never, at this point half life 3 failing would do more damage to the steam sales platform than half life 3 succeeding could make in a million years

SpacetimeMachine,

I don’t see how that would damage anything though? It’s not like people would stop using steam if hl3 is bad. That’s ridiculous.

Shadowedcross,

It might make Valve unlikely to make another game and a lot of people, including myself, would be hugely disappointed but I don’t think it would have any major negative effects beyond those two.

Duamerthrax,

You also can’t MTX a Half Life 3 game to hell and back. Years ago, I knew the next Half Life game would be VR. They’ve always used the Half Life games to showcase new tech or models(the Episodes). Didn’t realize it would be VR Exclusive or a prequel.

At least the community has given up and is producing their own sequels and spinoffs.

FiniteBanjo,

If companies see titles like Overwatch and Fortnite and want to be MORE like that, then I’m just done with anything other than Indie Games and Singleplayer at this point.

Bruhh,

The screenshots look like a MOBA such as Smite or Predecessor

rustyfish,
@rustyfish@lemmy.world avatar

1000 IQ power move: Valve promotes a fake game with fake trailers and fake reviews.

Day of the release approaches.

People buy and fire it up.

Starting screen says “Half Life 3”.

Thousands die from a stroke.

DarkThoughts,

I'd like a HL3, but not yet another competitive pvp game. So not sure if that would be the right approach if they can't even hit the same target audience.

NielsBohron,
@NielsBohron@lemmy.world avatar

I’m inclined to agree with you, but Valve doesn’t often miss

FreeFacts,

Valve hasn’t released nothing but tech demos since Artifact, and that was a huge miss. And excluding Artifact, Valve hasn’t released nothing but tech demos in over a decade. So you could say Valve hasn’t hit the mark in over 10 years.

acedelgado,
@acedelgado@kbin.social avatar

Alyx came out 4 years ago, and is recognized as one of the best VR titles of all time. It's a full 15 hour game, so not a tech demo. I'd say that's a hit.

misanthropy,

Alex is a tech demo designed to sell headsets.

It also was unplayable for me made me sick and I can play things like super hot or beat saber for hours

Opisek,

Super Hot and Beat Saber don’t cause motion sickness. If you have no idea about how the different kinds of VR movement affect nausea and haven’t developed any VR legs, then that’s absolutely on you. Especially given that Alyx remains accessible to people prone to motion sickness by giving you the option for teleport locomotion and snap turning instead. I know my limits and while I can use smooth locomotion, I still use snap turning. Don’t blame the game if you don’t know your limits and it’s essentially your first VR game in which you don’t stay in a single spot.

TexMexBazooka,

The double negatives hurt my heart here

FangedWyvern42,
@FangedWyvern42@lemmy.world avatar

HL Alyx and Dota Underlords aren’t tech demos lol.

Cethin,

They don’t often shoot either. I would agree when they do shoot they tend to hit though. At minimum, it’ll be interesting to see what the studio with such a large stream of revenue finally decides to release. Even if it’s horrible, it’ll be a moment to remember.

Jax,

-1000 IQ, that’s an instant false advertising lawsuit slam dunk

rustyfish,
@rustyfish@lemmy.world avatar

So we are back at normal 😎

RizzRustbolt,

As long as they don’t do pre-orders they’re fine.

mnemonicmonkeys,

If it’s literally the first thing on startup, anyone annoyed can just refund it

perdvert,

I might actually have some sort of cardiac event.

echodot,

Calling things an OverWatch style shooter is a bit like calling every first person shooter a Doom clone. Just call it a hero shooter I know what a hero shooter is. You don’t need to compare it to another game.

It’s bad enough that the term a “roguelike” exists, I can guarantee that hardly anyone who plays them has ever actually played rogue, and fair enough since it’s ancient, so they have no idea if the game they’re playing is like it or not.

Soggy,

“Roguelike” has also become very watered down. I see “roguelite” used less often, though it’s more accurate, but there isn’t a good alternative term right now. Turn-based-dungeon-crawler-with-permadeath is historically accurate but there’s a tendency to lump action games like Rogue Legacy and Enter the Gungeon in that needs to be accounted for.

(And no I haven’t played Rogue but I did play a bunch of NetHack)

BluesF,

Overwatch is a particularly successful Team-Fortress-like

Warjac,

It’s a Team Fortress Style Hero Shooter

Because it’s a Valve game

Because TF2 Inspired Overwatch

Get it right

FangedWyvern42,
@FangedWyvern42@lemmy.world avatar

This game doesn’t look terrible going off screenshots, but I’ll wait until an actual announcement. I’m hoping this may lead into them making more games in the future though.

Veraxus,

Valves next game…

SQUEEEEEE!!!

it’s an Overwatch-style hero shooter

My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined.

sebinspace,

Won’t hurt to give it a shot, but I’ll be cautiously optimistic.

Donjuanme,

Man, I was taught “don’t judge a book by it’s cover” but you’re burying it by it’s genre, I hope you can experience new things once in a while .

Inui,

What if you’ve already played all the big names in that genre and hate all of them?

Donjuanme,

Going to let an unannounced games rumored genre ruin your day?

Gamers need to set a better image of themselves.

Inui, (edited )

I never said that lol. The top commentor used a well known meme. I just want to play a cool new single player Valve game.

SkyezOpen,

Well, it’s valve, so honestly the odds of it being genre-defining in an already established genre? Pretty high, actually. Seriously, when is the last time valve put out a shit game?

Here’s hoping it helps OW2 finally die.

Inui,

Well they did make Artifact. But if something is the best of something you already don’t like, that’s still disappointing. I don’t play games like DOTA or CS so outside of Half Life Alyx they haven’t put out anything they caters to me in a very long time. Since Portal 2? Which is fine. But I’m still disappointed.

SkyezOpen,

Artifact

… OK name two!

/s

I honestly forgot about that piece of crap lol.

EatATaco,

It’s been many years, maybe even decades, since I liked a straight up turn-based single player RPG. I seriously can’t think of one that has sucked me in since FFX. I even tried Divinity Original Sin 2 after so much hype and good reviews from my friends. But I just didn’t like it.

However, Baldur’s Gate 3 sucked me in. According to steam, approaching 100 hours of playtime (although I’m sure there is a good chunk of time where I just walked away with the PC with it “paused.”)

I’m not saying you’ll like the game, I have no idea. But to already be convinced that you won’t like it based on pretty much the nothing we’ve got it terribly presumptuous.

Inui, (edited )

I don’t think ‘past data’ is nothing. Something might defy your expectations but its perfectly reasonable to expect you won’t like something if you’ve never liked anything from that genre before. I’m not ordering pizza from a restaurant if I’ve eaten 12 pizzas before and never liked any of them. I’m ordering the pasta or something.

Especially if you have liked games that company has made in other genres you already know you do like. I’d have been pretty excited about almost any other Valve announcement.

I hope the game is good for people who like that sort of thing.

EatATaco,

I’m not ordering pizza from a restaurant if I’ve eaten 12 pizzas before and never liked any of them.

I was very intentional with my language, and pointed out that we know pretty much nothing about the game, so claiming you know you won’t like it is h reasonable. This is nothing like having a pizza, not liking it, and then not getting that same pizza again. This is like not liking the pizza at one store, it’s much closer to saying you don’t like the pizza in one store, so you know you won’t like it in another. Still imperfect because it would be closer saying you’ve never had a pizza you like, so you won’t like the pizza in a new store, which is more reasonable because you have a lot of information about that pizza.

But we have virtually nothing about this game.

Veraxus,

To be faaaaiiiiir… D:OS (both of them) make the age-old mistake of having really slow, uninteresting, prologuish RPG starts. It takes a solid 5h of powergaming or 10h+ of normal play to get past that hump. That’s the point where the story picks up and you have enough tools to start really taking advantage of the games sandbox.

With BG3 they really seemed to have learned their lessons.

Cethin,

Edit:This was meant for the person above.

This seems reasonably different than the headline implies. It’s a hero shooter, in that there are classes based on heroes (like Team Fortress 2 as well). The gameplay is more moba it sounds like. I think I’ve only played one other moba shooter, and it failed quickly, so that’s different already.

It’s not a copy of OW, and even if it were it could still innovate. Half Life might be a “Doom Clone”, but it did stuff no one had done before. There’s plenty of innovation potential without inventing a new genre. Even if you do create a new genre, it’s probably still just evolution of existing things. No one ever has an original idea. It’s always inspired by their environment.

Veraxus,

I hate beets. HATE them. I will eat durian, thousand-year eggs, stinky tofu, and a million other things that most people won’t touch… but beets? Fuck beets. Their sweet-yet-earthy funk is like a dead animal that has just started to decompose. I don’t care if they are cooked, pickled, or stewed in borscht… hate them and won’t touch them. They ruin everything they touch.

This is like that. They are cooking with lots of beet-like ingredients. Some people will love that. But as for me…I hate it… I hate just everything about it… and I hate it because I’ve experienced all those ingredients before. Over and over and over again. What they are making is for a very particular crowd, and I am not part of said crowd.

Cethin,

This seems reasonably different than the headline implies. It’s a hero shooter, in that there are classes based on heroes (like Team Fortress 2 as well). The gameplay is more moba it sounds like. I think I’ve only played one other moba shooter, and it failed quickly, so that’s different already.

It’s not a copy of OW, and even if it were it could still innovate. Half Life might be a “Doom Clone”, but it did stuff no one had done before. There’s plenty of innovation potential without inventing a new genre. Even if you do create a new genre, it’s probably still just evolution of existing things. No one ever has an original idea. It’s always inspired by their environment.

Veraxus,

All fair points, and given the way Valve operates (like a free collective) this would only happen if there were some really passionate people leading and working on it.

That said, it’s still a mix of things I just really do not have any interest in. Competitive online game, esports focused, MOBA-like, PvP, hero shooter… that’s a whole lot of hard no-thanks from me.

I’d love some new light-narrative single player and/or co-op stuff from them, though.

Buttons,
@Buttons@programming.dev avatar

Speaking of Valve games, why did I ever stop playing Left 4 Dead? I need to play that again.

Lenny,

Competitive shooter

Brooo I just wanna chill and have fun and play some games.

n3m37h,

This is why I bought Hell Divers 2

Veraxus,

Everyone needs some rock, and stone, and liberty in their lives.

n3m37h,

Maybe a few less fire tornadoes

// Fuck Hellmire

perdvert,

AND Menkent!

slackassassin,

Did I hear a Rock and Stone!?

Veraxus,

For Karl!

urda,
@urda@lebowski.social avatar

We’re rich.

PHLAK,
@PHLAK@lemmy.world avatar

Valve releasing a competitive game doesn’t prevent you from doing this. I for one am excited by the potential of this game. Then again, I’ve been playing Dota for 10 years so maybe I’m just a masochist.

JargonWagon,

This is what the Bronze rank is for. Join us.

catsarebadpeople,

Then don’t play competitive shooters lol? There are literally thousands of great games for you out there. Why are you even commenting on this post?

Lenny,

Because some of us want a game from Valve that’s not competitive? There are literally thousands of us out here. Why do you even care?

catsarebadpeople,

Oh it HAS to be made by Valve. Ok cool?

Lenny,

This post is about VALVE’s next game. Can’t you read?

catsarebadpeople,

Yes, the one that’s a competitive shooter right?

Fedizen,

I thought overwatch was based on team fortress. Why not just a new team fortress?

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