Chikli has since led a targeted push to counter critics of Israel. The Guardian has uncovered evidence showing how Israel has relaunched a controversial entity as part of a broader public relations campaign to target US college campuses and redefine antisemitism in US law.
Seconds after a smoke alarm subsided during the hearing, Chikli assured the lawmakers that there was new money in the budget for a pushback campaign, which was separate from more traditional public relations and paid advertising content produced by the government. It included 80 programs already under way for advocacy efforts “to be done in the ‘Concert’ way”, he said.
The “Concert” remark referred to a sprawling relaunch of a controversial Israeli government program initially known as Kela Shlomo, designed to carry out what Israel called “mass consciousness activities” targeted largely at the US and Europe. Concert, now known as Voices of Israel, previously worked with groups spearheading a campaign to pass so-called “anti-BDS” state laws that penalize Americans for engaging in boycotts or other non-violent protests of Israel.
In the middle of all the propaganda and lobbying, there’s no rational reason to ignore that a foreign government is interfering with American politics for their own gain
It’s fucked when Russia does it.
It’s fucked when Israel does it.
And as long as we keep electing politicians who take the money, nothing will change.
Israel is just smart enough to buy off both parties.
Ohh look. It’s the guy that turns every news/politics article into a “both sides” argument to try to specifically disenfranchise left voters, and is mysteriously silent in all those articles quoting Trump saying he’ll enable both Russia and Isreal in their genocides.
Don’t fall for his crap. He’s only here to point fingers at Dems, never Republicans.
He’s here to help Trump get elected.
He is either part of the Russian / Isreali propaganda he’s trying to frame as bad here, or a useful idiot that has bought into said propaganda.
Sounds like that gang is doing exactly what countries do, except they’re smaller and therefore wrong while the country is right. It’s all relative to the size of your steeple.
I didnt have to sign up since its automatic and required for all males where I am from. But still, my country hasnt and will not ask me to go kill hels angles in other countries.
No. Hamas is an organized armed group, fighting Israel, another organized armed group. You are the one trying to twist the definition of war. It’s very clear cut
The vast majority of deaths are innocent civilians. It’s not a war, no.
There were holocaust survivors that armed themselves and fought back. That makes it a war by your definition. Germany and the jews of europe were just fighting a war.
Ugh man, sure, if you want to go that far, Jews who armed themselves and fought against Nazis were in a war. Whatever. But in war, civilians are killed.
“Between 300,000–600,000 German civilians and over 200,000 Japanese civilians were killed by allied bombing during the Second World War, most as a result of raids intentionally targeted against civilians themselves.” Source: academic.oup.com/book/9859/…/157134577?redirected…
Yeah, totally, the victims of the holocaust were just civilian casulties on the jewish side, that’s just war, you know? Civilians are gonna be systematically targeted and killed, civilian infrastructure decimated intentionally etc.
The irony of you saying I’m twisting the definition of war when Israel has total control of Gaza, controls any food, water, electricity has bombed 70% of infrastructure and driven the entire population into a tiny square of land is too much. You can’t actually be serious.
Gaza is an apartheid state controlled by Israel, there is no functioning state that they’re overthrowing, there is no standing army or opposing military industry, they already 100% control Gaza. If the government blows up an entire block of apartments because a terrorist is hiding there that’s not “war” that’s indiscriminate slaughter.
Go read the definition of war again. It doesn’t require a functioning state with a standing army. It doesn’t mention anything about civilian deaths. It’s literally just 2 sides engaged in an armed conflict. Want to argue about the definition of war? Write to Merriam Webster. I don’t care
I’m using your definition of war. You just don’t like it when you realize it can be used to literally erase the holocaust the same way you’re trying to erase the genocide in Gaza.
Yeah, the Germans and the jews were just two warring factions, same as the UK and Germany or the US and Japan etc. The jews weren’t experiencing a genocide, they were just experiencing a war like everyone else. Right?
The “intensive” phase of Israel’s offensive in Gaza will soon end, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Sunday — but he signaled he would only accept a “partial” cease-fire deal that would not end the war, and that this new phase would allow a shift in focus to the simmering conflict on the country’s northern border with Lebanon.
According to Bibi…
And in the same breathe saying he doesn’t want to end the war.
Bibi is facing calls from the left and right in his country to stop stalling the election. If an election happens, he’s not going to win.
So he’s going to keep this war going as long as possible. And is blatantly saying any slow down in Gaza would be to increase attacks on Lebanon.
It’s literally the only thing keeping him in office, because war is his only excuse for not letting Israelis hold a vote.
See I hear you except when it becomes full on straight up murder.
And the other commenter talked about how those homes (more like facilities I have learned) the kid is in are recruitments from local gangs to get kids to kill people and go unjailed.
Maybe they shouldn’t take America’s hard-line view on kids and crime but I’d say the soft view they are using now isn’t working very well.
And so what this kid grows up into an adult and then just gets to go back into the world, having killed someone who was innocent because a gang told him too?
Kids need love, acceptance and guidance from adults who are capable of that. If they don’t get that from those who should be giving it, they are open to abuse from those who will use and abuse them.
Those kids aren’t being recruited to murder anyone in the beginning. They’re being given the things they need, then they’re being manipulated to believe they owe their lives to the ones who gave it, and must do what they’re told to repay the debt.
Kids don’t have adult brains to think through the consequences of their choices. And the adults in charge of them, specifically politicians and other idjits who couldn’t give a rat’s ass about them most of the time, are failing those kids at every turn.
And in Sweden what in the US would be called a “juvenile detention center” would fall under the term of “youth home”. He wasn’t returned to the same one.
I don’t think they’re exactly leaving him unguarded, being underage, there isn’t another type of facility suited for legally incarcerating him. These facilities essentially double as juvie and orphanages.
Mixing kids who are simply in government care with ones that are violent, was never a good idea though. These two systems should be separate, because it’s now turning the former into the latter.
According to accounts for this story from eight sources including a former gang member, several youth home workers, prosecutors and criminologists, the homes have turned into recruiting grounds for gangs, who use them to enlist killers too young to be jailed.
Gangs have essentially found a loophole for legal murder. Get a child to do it.
They’re the ones masterminding this shit. It’s not like these actual children, with government rooves over their heads, are taking on contract killing to make ends meet.
Mixing kids who are simply in government care with ones that are violent, was never a good idea though.
That’s the issue here. There’s a huge difference between the kids in state care because they are orphaned and the kids who get sent to juvenile detention centers or even what we call in the US “alternative schooling.”
Not as big a difference as you think there is. Both are children needing love, acceptance, guidance and healing from massive traumas you can’t even begin to imagine.
Kill that guy for us, or we’ll kill you, you owe us, sorta requires understanding death.
You think these kids take the “deal” knowing where it leads? Even some adults are easy to manipulate… so a fourteen-year-old?
I’d agree that some teen that kills of their own volition isn’t innocent… But there’s a literal gang involved that is actively grooming kids for murder.
As for the government letting it happen, agreed. Modern politics, legislation, and government executive branches address problems at a snails pace. Often actively causing them because politicians refuse to enact laws based on what is known, rather than what they feel.
Kinda like you, feeling like the victimhood of this actual child shouldn’t be acknowledged.
An attempt to address this with such a tainted perspective surely wouldn’t cause problems. /S
That’s less than a non-response. Self-inflicted sabotage of your own credibility.
Openly advertising your inability to understand why you disagree well enough to make others comprehend your stance with actual sentences that mean things.
So you try to pretend that a witty remark counts for something.
If you ever genuinely tried good-faith discussion, you’d see how little sense your position makes as you’d struggle to put together arguments that actually convince anyone.
Obviously this person shouldn’t be walking free, and needs serious rehabilitation.
But the same way adult ex-cons who end up back in prison in the US within months of release due to a fucked justice system, are victims, this literal child groomed into a tool to enact violence at the behest of others, is even moreso.
America had some questionable allies during WW2 too. The Allies were not as morally sound as we make them out to be, as the colonial era was in full force.
But coming together to fight Hitler did make things a little more black and white for a period of time.
I thought this said geeks not greeks and then I got confused. That’s wild, in North America some companies are pretending to want 4 day work weeks (like my old one that laid me off last year) and then in Greece they’ve actually gone ahead and implemented 6 day work weeks. Reminds me of China’s 966 except this is actually legal apparently.
This story is really not being reported fairly. If it was, it would be about the fact that they are so desperately poor that the only way they can think to have even a brief escape is through alcohol, but they’re even too poor to buy legal alcohol.
I agree, but I look at what Google and Microsoft are getting away with and I can’t help but wonder if this is to kill off a competitor by applying the super power lobbyism.
As an example, the blocking/ deleting of accounts without any reason , which is illegal in the EU but is not enforced. The tricks they are pulling to make Edge the default/sole browser (which is sneakier and more persuasive than the original IE6 shit for which they did get punished). Recall, which should have gotten any oversight organisation up in arms.
It’s really just a bunch of leftists who think that any side that is disadvantaged (see Hamas in this scenario) deserves their undying support. It’s pretty whack, especially when it means supporting literal terrorists
Most people would be happy if a Bibi only killed Hamas instead of just firing bombs indiscriminately into refugee shelters and hospitals. It’s been made pretty clear that the IDF cares nothing about innocent civilians. If you want to make more terrorists, this is how you make more terrorists.
There are thousands of children dead, refugee camps bombed, hospitals sieged, civilians tortured and most recently a civilian strapped to a car and taken for a spin.
This does not need to fit into a left right template to be seen for what it is, a land grab. Another one.
Palestinians have a right to exist and place to exist.
Hey I’m a liberal, I’m not trying to make some left-right argument. But what I see, there’s a section of the far left that looks at any situation, determines who is disadvantaged, and takes their side. No matter what.
If Hamas cared about their civilian population, they would have come to the table already and given Israel what they want (full surrender of all Hamas fighters and leaders, return of all hostages). But they don’t care. Hamas does not deserve any sympathy or leeway here. Not excusing the brutal tactics of Israel either. But the fact is, they see this as a war and children dying as collateral damage in pursuit of victory.
We should be admonishing both sides, but recognizing that Hamas has the ability to end the death and are unwilling to surrender completely
I give a fuck. Anyone who doesn’t want lots of people to die gives a fuck. Just because you don’t give a fuck doesn’t mean you speak for everyone else.
Welcome to humanity, we do kill each other. We did for the last 12k years and we will in the future. You guys need to learn about the tolerance paradox. You tolerate the intolerant. In this case you are for letting a warmonger do whatever he wants, supporting Terrorism and supplying Russia with weapons and people for their war. YOU ARE KILLING MORE PEOPLE BY NOT DOING SOMETHING.
Most of humanity has a thing called ‘empathy,’ wherein they care about others dying.
Also, I’m not ‘letting a warmonger do whatever he wants.’ I have no power to do anything about any warmongers and I doubt you do either, which is why you’re complaining about it on Lemmy rather than acting. So maybe don’t point fingers.
Also, I’m quite familiar with the paradox of tolerance, and that has absolutely nothing to do with people other than you caring about a war even if you say they don’t. I care.
Oh i do care about people dieing, that’s why i want the people that are responsible to be gone… You want to leave those alone that fight against them.
Empathy is a thing that isn’t really provable, you might feel bad when you kill a innocent, bit when someone charges you with a knife and you can shot him, you still do. You protect yourself and the people close to you before thinking about the person attacking you. Same thing works for countries.
You literally said that nobody gives a fuck, make up your mind.
Empathy is a thing that isn’t really provable, you might feel bad when you kill a innocent, bit when someone charges you with a knife and you can shot him, you still do.
That’s literally what empathy is. Innocence has nothing to do with it.
Nobody gives a fuck about the possibility of war in means ofnit standing in the way of Israel defending itself.
And yet innocents do die in war as collateral damage, still waaaaay better than the guys that intentionally target innocent people. Welcome to humanity again.
I wasn’t trying to speak for anyone but myself, so that is a ludicrous accusation, and “nobody” does not mean “the majority.” If you meant “the majority,” you should have said so. It would not have taken you significantly longer to type, so I don’t believe your silly excuse.
Also-
The majority of humans don’t give a single shit.
Let’s see your evidence. Polling numbers will work with a decent sample size. You have them, right? You wouldn’t just be speaking on all of those people’s behalves without knowing what they actually think, would you?
In one form or another, this is basically the rationalization that warmongers always use to justify their own awfulness. As an American, I’ve been listening to my own country deploy this gem my entire life.
And that, kids, is why we have wars. The moment people with power start saying “yeah Israel should exist but also should a Palestinian state” - that’s when we’ll have peace.
Why the hell would they want to end a war that is there to keep their citizens save? 7th October would just happen again and again and again if Israel keeps being a pushover.
Exactly. And why would they end the war without getting everything they demand from the other side? They aren’t losing, Hamas is losing. People don’t seem to understand the concept of leverage in negotiations. If Hamas wants to end the war, they need to completely surrender and return all the hostages
The only thing they demand from the terrorists is to perish. So why would they. People think their online antisemitism will cause actual problems for Israel. Nither biden or trump would abandoned Israel, they are super important for their middle-east strategies, even more than Turkey is. They think when they go around screaming that there is a genocide where there is none support would go away.
Cause Russia is known to obay contracts… Yeah sure.
And i don’t believe trump has that little brain.
Oh and you are a antisemit, there is no genocide. You can’t just say genocide when a court ruled there is none… Its against facts and against all reason. The only genocide that happened was when hamas pulled of 7th October.
“At least some of the acts and omissions alleged by South Africa to have been committed by Israel in Gaza appear to be capable of falling within the provisions of the (Genocide) Convention,” the judges said.
You read this and your takeaway is that the ICJ concluded there was no genocide committed by Israeli? Interesting.
If i was in 1947, i would definitely oppose the creation of a state regadless of religion or race by recent emigrants. Now the situation is different, i just want gaza and the west bank to be completely liberated. The goal was always to colonize the whole region based on the first prime minsiter of israel before the 1948 war “after the formation of a large army in the wake of the establishment of the state, we will abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine”
Zionist colonization must either be terminated or carried out against the wishes of the native population. This colonization can, therefore, be continued and make progress only under the protection of a power independent of the native population - an iron wall, which will be in a position to resist the pressure to the native population. This is our policy towards the Arabs…"Vladimir Jabotinsky, The Iron Wall, 1923.
Always fun how Israel apologists fall back to “you’re an antisemite” once they know they have no valid argument left.
You’re devaluating “anti-Semitism” by misusing it, and as a result you are hurting Jewish people. Furthermore, by equating Israel to Judaism, you’re propagating that any misbehaviour by the Israeli government reflects the will of the Jewish people, further damaging the Jewish people worldwide.
I don’t need to apologize for something that is justice.
And you guys are antisemitic as hell. By definition. And… Fun fact! There aren’t jews outside of Israel and the countrys that support it. (Uk, Germany, USA, Canada…) there are just about 16 million, over 7 million of those live in Israel.
“Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”
This is the working definition of antisemitism as per the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance. Criticising the Israeli government for behaviour they exhibit does not fall under this definition, and therefore we can’t be “antisemitic as hell. By definition”.
Stop equating Israel to the Jewish people, they are not the same.
Everyone is an anti simit why are all of you jew haters trying to stop the state of Israel from committing genocide your simitisim is showing you’re basically Hitler for wanting to prevent a genocide why are you so simit
So you blame Palestina for existing and being constantly under attack by terrorists… “how dare you fight back!” man cant make this shit up
That argument works both ways
(Even if you oppose the classification of Israel as “terrorists” - although fair given the definition - replace terrorist in that sentence with “Israel” and the sentiment is exactly the same)
No i don’t i say there is Palestine as a country in the first place, its just a Israeli autonomous region because they behave like they do.
And yes i do blame the people there for having started a genocide after the founding of Israel and not having stopped by now, committing antisemitic crimes and crimes against humanity with repeatedly shooting rockets into Israel, a legitimate country that was given the area by England after they ended their colony there.
Oh and Israel already significantly reduced in size since then by giving space for peace.
The Palestinian state is recognised by the majority of countries in the world (currently 145 out of 193, and growing, like recently by Spain, Norway, Slovenia and Ireland).
I suggest you look up UN resolution 181 and see what parts of “The British Mandate for Palestina” (interesting last word in that name) were actually given to Israel, and which parts were left to the “Palestinian arab population”. You’ll find that Israel is occupying large areas of land that the British did not actually give to them.
Just because Israels propaganda does not want a Palestinian state to exist, does not make it so.
The process that brought the state of Israel into existence caused a lot of animosity among the population who were previously there.
Add to that decades of Israel displacing more people by annexing land for their “settlements” and its not hard to imagine why there would be resentment and anger against the Israeli government.
Hasbara has become so lazy. They used to write shittons of stuff making everyone tired to argue with their bs but this is just a lazy way of lying I’m lacking words for it.
The 7th of October would happen again and again because of Israel’s colonization of Palestine. Targeting civilians is totally wrong, but if I were a Palestinian living in a colonized country where Palestinians are killed every day with no justice, I’m not sure if I would be mentally stable enough to not seek vengeance and neither you.
So what will stop October 7ths from happening again and again? If Isreal pulled out of Gaza and the West bank entirely Hamas would decide that everyone lives in peace?
Hamas wouldn’t, but Hamas would lose power. The reason they’re in power is because they aimed to fight Israel (and because they suspended elections once in power). If both Gaza and the West Bank came under Palestinian Authority control, Fatah would be in charge (at least until whatever election).
An independent palestine should has it’s own army that is not hamas and fight them if they refuse to dissolve. They would also lose most of the palestinian support if they reduse . I also think the responsibles of the 7 of october should be held accountable in an independent palestine
Israel has been a pushover? This is the mindset that will keep this insurgency alive forever.
I heard an ex MI6 head cite some numbers on the current state of Hamas. They said that about 60% of the current fighters were orphans from previous wars. There’s gonna a whole lot more orphans from this one.
Israel is assured unsafe from another Oct 7 at least for a decade after this war, probably more. People won’t stop fighting when they have nothing left to lose. This expectation that these people would do something different than what you would when your families are killed is delusional.
Of course it does. But I think what matters is the magnitudes and what do every one of those children have to lose. If you want security, you have to move to fewer and fewer children having this experience and to more of them having something to lose. Hamas made this equation markedly worse on Oct 7. Israel’s leadership made way worse thereafter.
For even more fun, add in the children of Gaza wanting to escalate upward in the same way as Israel did and Iran becoming a nuclear power. If those two things ever combine things can get very ugly.
Mod hat: I do not agree with this comment either, but that is not an excuse to break our civility rule. If you want to talk about why you think this person is incorrect, do it without insults.
Edit: I should add that this applied to OP as well, who has been banned for multiple civility rule violations.
You deleted a comment I made because you said it was incivil (not going to repeat it, but it’s in the modlog)
Was it because I pointed out that they were denying a genocide?
That’s the only thing that was remotely personal, and if that breaks the rules is it acceptable to instead just link sources explaining how Israel is committing a genocide?
Genocidal denial is just a pretty big deal in my eyes, so I want to know how mods are ok with addressing it. I felt that I was following the sidebar by commenting on the argument and not the user, but apparently I misunderstood something.
I wouldn’t have mentioned it, by their comment denying genocide is literally just a few comments down this chain…
You are free to explain why someone is denying genocide. You are not free to make that accusation because you do not know the reasoning behind their statements. People have the right to disagree that something is happening and be wrong. People also have a right to be ignorant about a subject and make ignorant statements. You, as a user, have a right to tell them why they are wrong or why their statement is not true.
You do not have the right to accuse someone of supporting genocide unless they are making a statement that calls for violence. That is against the rules. The comment you responded to did not call for violence.
I do not agree with their claim that genocide is not happening. People denied the Holocaust was happening while it was happening. That doesn’t mean they would have marched Jews into the ovens themselves if they had the chance.
If you disagree with my moderation, you are free to report it to the admins.
Well then I guess you will continue to be disappointed, as will the person who complained to me.
I was tired of the slap fight and deleted a lot of comments, including most of OP’s comments and then banned OP.
You’d think people would be happy OP was banned. Apparently not.
Edit: I should also note that the particular user who is complaining gets flagged constantly, their comments rarely deleted, and I know I’ve never banned them, so I’m sorry you both think I’m treating them so horribly.
Again Happy you banned the asshole Ani account just confused why fucks had comment removed.
Now I forsee lots of zionist shill accounts pushing for comments to be removed or accounts to be banned when people point out them denying the genocide
You are free to explain why someone is denying genocide. You are not free to make that accusation because you do not know the reasoning behind their statements. People have the right to disagree that something is happening and be wrong.
So all the people (including YourPrivatHater) who accuse others of being antisemitic are also breaking this rule, aren’t they?
They do not know the reasoning behind the statement that prompted the accusation and it is very uncivil to say that. How can that be different?
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